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Spiff Dec 4, 2006 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by jennifer2456 (Post 6794487)
Diet Coke + Mentos = "liquid explosive"

Yup, that's the kind of liquid explosive that Comrade Hawley's stupid little liquid games are designed to catch. And the system is quite porous at that.

TierFlyer Dec 4, 2006 11:14 pm

Dude, you are chumming for sharks.

You know, low IQ animals with primitive brains that must travel forward to live.

Keep your chin up, this is not a represntative group, just a vocal one.

TierFlyer Dec 4, 2006 11:17 pm

The right to fly exists?

Pray tell what perumbra of an emanation that is hiding under?

You don't have the "right" to ride Greyhound without complying with the rules. Heck, you can't even really own a gun in DC and that seems pretty clear to me in the tattered rags of the constitution and bill of rights.

Sheesh, rules for thee and not me - let me be the first to yell commie.

s25843 Dec 4, 2006 11:32 pm

I certainly hope you aren't the screener who yelled at me in Terminal C, to move down "Because my bags come out that end of the x-ray machine" :rolleyes:

and, last time I checked, that $2.50 or whatever "Security Fee" on my one-way ticket IS helping to pay for your salary.

southtahoe Dec 4, 2006 11:51 pm

I've been flamed for this in the past, but I really think that those of you generalizing about TSA are way off base. I've travelled UAL monthly from RNO-ORD for almost 4 years now. I would encourage all of you FTers to drive to RNO and begin travel there, :p because the TSA has always been excellent. Futhermore, I've never been treated improperly ORD either. -Sure I've been delayed, searched and have had things taken away. Its not pleasant, but c'mon! We're grown ups for christ sake!

Georgia Peach Dec 4, 2006 11:59 pm

It's the lack of common sense on the TSA's part that makes me crazy. In June I fractured my foot and tore several ligaments, and was in a cast for several months. Since I was in a wheelchair, it should have been obvious I was no threat. If the fondling I received from the TSA in ATL while seated had occurred in another setting, I would have called the police. There was no reason for that woman to touch my breasts and put her hand down the back of my pants. :mad: She swabbed my removable cast, and when I offered to remove it, she said it wasn't necessary. Why make us remove flip flops and sandals when the entire foot is already visible. If the TSA ever asks me if I want to fly, I'll just say no, collect my belongings and go to another checkpoint.

southtahoe Dec 5, 2006 12:15 am


Originally Posted by Georgia Peach (Post 6794603)
It's the lack of common sense on the TSA's part that makes me crazy. In June I fractured my foot and tore several ligaments, and was in a cast for several months. Since I was in a wheelchair, it should have been obvious I was no threat. If the fondling I received from the TSA in ATL while seated had occurred in another setting, I would have called the police. There was no reason for that woman to touch my breasts and put her hand down the back of my pants. :mad: She swabbed my removable cast, and when I offered to remove it, she said it wasn't necessary. Why make us remove flip flops and sandals when the entire foot is already visible. If the TSA ever asks me if I want to fly, I'll just say no, collect my belongings and go to another checkpoint.

Sorry to hear of your injury. Again though, give TSA break. They do not know that you are an honest passenger. If you cannot pass the metal detector, then you must unfortunately be searched. Remember, TSA has no idea what is going through security attached to you and the wheel chair. Even if you are not ambulatory, you could never the less serve as a conduit for dangerous items.
As for removing your shoes, it's the shoes that TSA wants to check. Not (hopefully) your feet!

sandiegofun Dec 5, 2006 6:10 am


Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794366)
Do I not have the right to complain about my job?

Why do it here, where a subset of us believe that your job shouldn't even exist? Troll?:rolleyes:


Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794366)
Anyways, my point of "you don't have to fly" is most certainly not bogus. I'm just comparing the TSA's rights to search/seize you and your property, to you being able to bring liquids on a plane, or even to fly at all.

TSA's rights are my issue, and again 'even to fly at all' is absurd.



Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794366)
People in Darfur suffer. Passengers don't.

This can't be serious. I should hope that there is a difference between Darfur and BOS terminals. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

GUWonder Dec 5, 2006 6:35 am


Originally Posted by jennifer2456 (Post 6794487)
Diet Coke + Mentos = "liquid explosive"

:D ... they say Diet Pepsi works better. .... but no one will be bringing down a plane that way anytime in my lifetime. :D ^^

Gargoyle Dec 5, 2006 6:50 am


Originally Posted by southtahoe (Post 6794633)
Again though, give TSA break. They do not know that you are an honest passenger.

Valid point, since as we all know, in America you are guilty until proven innocent. (as is also codified in the laws of Canada and the EU)

red456 Dec 5, 2006 6:54 am


Originally Posted by Georgia Peach (Post 6794603)
It's the lack of common sense on the TSA's part that makes me crazy. In June I fractured my foot and tore several ligaments, and was in a cast for several months. Since I was in a wheelchair, it should have been obvious I was no threat. If the fondling I received from the TSA in ATL while seated had occurred in another setting, I would have called the police. There was no reason for that woman to touch my breasts and put her hand down the back of my pants. :mad:


I hoped you asked for a supervisor and filed a complaint because that type of search was against SOP.

Spiff Dec 5, 2006 7:11 am


Originally Posted by southtahoe (Post 6794587)
Sure I've been delayed, searched and have had things taken away. Its not pleasant, but c'mon! We're grown ups for christ sake!

Yes, and many of us resent being treated like children and subjected to rules so stupid, even a child can see through them.

whirledtraveler Dec 5, 2006 7:19 am


Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794299)

If you really hate us that bad, just stop flying. It's simple. You do not have the right to fly, you have the privilege. It is not an invasion of privacy, when you voluntarily purchase a ticket.

Nope. Thank you for playing. There is a right to fly under US law.

People have to stop repeating this "there is no right to fly" meme as if it were true. It's old wive's tale, like the one the goes "humans are the only animals that kill for sport." It makes people feel good to repeat it, regardless of how transparently false it is.

frink Dec 5, 2006 7:47 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 6795451)
:D ... they say Diet Pepsi works better. .... but no one will be bringing down a plane that way anytime in my lifetime. :D ^^

Of course not. You need at least 2 litres to bring down a plane (I could tell you how but that's SSI) and that won't fit in your Kipppy bag. See, the rules work! (Now where's that rock that keeps tigers away?)

Global_Hi_Flyer Dec 5, 2006 8:25 am


Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794366)
Anyways, my point of "you don't have to fly" is most certainly not bogus. I'm just comparing the TSA's rights to search/seize you and your property, to you being able to bring liquids on a plane, or even to fly at all.

Someone has clearly forgotten about the words written in the Fourth Amendment. I'll copy them here just so we remember:


Originally Posted by Framers of the Constitution
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Where, pray tell, does that say the TSA has the rights to search/seize us and our property?


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