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greggwiggins Sep 26, 2006 3:33 pm


Originally Posted by Flaflyer
I am tempted to put four 50 ml/1.5 ounce bottles of scotch and nothing else in "My Ziploc"™. If TSA asks what they are, I can honestly say "women's makeup." If they question this, I can try to say with a straight face " Because after four of those, the woman at the end of the bar looks a whole lot better." :D

Now THIS is a post I want to see Bart's reaction to! :D

GeorgiaRebel Sep 26, 2006 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau
Gee, Bart, that's great, but wow, that's not what my TSA website said at all!

Your TSA Site says the following:
People with disabilities, those with prosthetic devices, and those with medical conditions do not have to remove their shoes during this heightened security level nor has this been the case during routine travel times. Those who keep their shoes on will be subjected to additional screening that includes a visual or physical and explosive trace detection sampling of their footwear.
No wonder TSA at EWR (and wherever you are located too I presume) doesn't get it right. :mad: They can't even read the info on their own web site.


- Alan

kaukau Sep 26, 2006 8:49 pm


Originally Posted by GeorgiaRebel
Your TSA Site says the following:
People with disabilities, those with prosthetic devices, and those with medical conditions do not have to remove their shoes during this heightened security level nor has this been the case during routine travel times. Those who keep their shoes on will be subjected to additional screening that includes a visual or physical and explosive trace detection sampling of their footwear.
No wonder TSA at EWR (and wherever you are located too I presume) doesn't get it right. :mad: They can't even read the info on their own web site.


- Alan

Was that there yesterday? Thanks for showing me where it is!

GeorgiaRebel Sep 26, 2006 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau
Was that there yesterday? Thanks for showing me where it is!

It has been there since I got home and checked on 8/12

Most of the TSO supers don't know it is there though and wouldn't believe you if you told them. Being a diabetic, I do know that it is there and why diabetics should not take off their shoes. Too bad that TSA training is so inept that this information doesn't get communicated to the field - maybe Bart will change that if the rumors are true -(especially to the people at EWR). :mad:


- Alan

kaukau Sep 26, 2006 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by GeorgiaRebel
It has been there since I got home and checked on 8/12

Most of the TSO supers don't know it is there though and wouldn't believe you if you told them. Being a diabetic, I do know that it is there and why diabetics should not take off their shoes. Too bad that TSA training is so inept that this information doesn't get communicated to the field - maybe Bart will change that if the rumors are true -(especially to the people at EWR). :mad:


- Alan

Thanks, again, Alan.

Telfes Sep 26, 2006 10:37 pm


Originally Posted by GeorgiaRebel
[No wonder TSA at EWR (and wherever you are located too I presume) doesn't get it right. :mad: They can't even read the info on their own web site.


- Alan

Uhh... The guy has retracted and apologized not once, but twice in the last couple of pages. Cut him some slack, huh? None of us is perfect.

Now for a question for Bart -- I assume we can still bring empty water bottles into the secure area. If we fill them from a water fountain in the secure area (having purchased the water by virtue of buying access to the inner sanctum of the airport with our tickets), are we okay to carry them around? I'm not seeing an obvious way to get nailed, but I thought I'd throw you the question. Thanks in advance!!

GeorgiaRebel Sep 26, 2006 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by Telfes
Uhh... The guy has retracted and apologized not once, but twice in the last couple of pages. Cut him some slack, huh? None of us is perfect.

I started on page 41 or 42 and didn't see his apology until several pages later. Slack duly noted and cut :D

- Alan

Bart Sep 26, 2006 11:24 pm

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KathrynInCanada Sep 27, 2006 1:01 am


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
I'm confused about your toothpaste quandry? Perhaps things are different back in the Old World, where you are now, but here in North America the trial size toothpaste (24g/.85 oz) should last 5 - 7 days per tube.

Thanks for pointing that out. I know a lot of small sizes are available in the US but the selection of brands is not as great in Canada. That being said, I see the Sensodyne travel toothpaste I have, bought in Raleigh, is .8 oz. I thought it was larger. Since my partner insists on checking luggage, he can carry the larger tube and I'll have the small one for in-transit and if his bag gets lost.

What all this kerfuffel has achieved is to make me rethink everything and look for even smaller/lighter alternatives. Now that liquids are allowed on board, I'm going to shift to only carry-on in order to limit what I travel with since my back doesn't do well when I have lots to handle (even pulling/pushing my suitcase hurts.)

And thanks to people sharing ideas, I even know how to refill toothpaste should I ever had the patience. (Not that I'm convinced I'd use whatever patience I have for that - I prefer to save it for dealing with the frustrations of security checkpoints!)

RobertTheTraveler Sep 27, 2006 2:12 am

I expect it will take a few weeks before Procter+Gamble can get their new 2.9-oz packaging out on the market.

oldpenny16 Sep 27, 2006 3:12 am

absolutely
 

Originally Posted by RobertTheTraveler
I expect it will take a few weeks before Procter+Gamble can get their new 2.9-oz packaging out on the market.

Robert, you are so correct! I've taken a hard look at some of our 'products'. A large Right Guard is only 2.7 ounces but certainly looks like it should be more. Likely my sweeter will take along a smaller size in any case.

The middle sized bottles of Purell are 2 ounces. Most of my make up is well under 3 ounces.

I'm putting the various flat packets of products into the 'wet' bag. I'll report in how it goes.

GeoGirl Sep 27, 2006 5:18 am

Furious!
 
Well I'm sitting at my gate in IND and I'm furious! TSA just confiscated ALL of my re-disapensed toiletries. I had put every product, about 10 in all, in carefully-labelled .2 oz or smaller plastic containers and put them in my ziploc with my lip gloss, hand cream, etc. Two TSA agents looked at the bag and said it was fine. Then I was pulled out of line and an agent went through my ziploc, called over another agent who got the supervisor.

The supervisor said you are not allowed to carry unmarked or self marked toiletries, not even in checked bags. They would not give them back to me and said if I checked my bag they would escort me to the counter to make sure I didn't put anything else in my checked bag. The supervisor said you've never been able to carry unmarked bottles, not even in checked!

To be clear, for example, we are talking about containers that had two pumps of wrinkle cream, enough for two applications. I thinbg most containers were .1 oz!

Now I'm on my way to San Antonio sans shampoo, styling product, or a single skin care product.

A man had to have said the ziploc was big enough for all toiletries. A woman never would've said that. Next time, I'm printing my labels on the computer.

I've rarely been so angry!

Apologies for any typos. I wanted to get this posted asap and am on my sidekick.

GG

GoingAway Sep 27, 2006 5:43 am


Originally Posted by GeoGirl
The supervisor said you are not allowed to carry unmarked or self marked toiletries, not even in checked bags. They would not give them back to me and said if I checked my bag they would escort me to the counter to make sure I didn't put anything else in my checked bag. The supervisor said you've never been able to carry unmarked bottles, not even in checked!

Are you kidding me? How do they think some of these products are going to be carried on in 3 oz or less if they are NOT switched to a different bottle. That guy is smoking something, no way is that a rule and NO WAY was it ever associated with CHECKED luggage. This is so out of hand with no sense, logic or effectiveness about anything this organization does.

BTW, did you ask for the supervisors boss or a higher opinion? What he was spouting was obviously BS made up as he went. I hope you got his name and will file a very strongly worded complaint (not that it'll help much). Very sorry to hear this happened to you, GG. Hope the rest of your trip goes better.

Bart Sep 27, 2006 6:16 am

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GoingAway Sep 27, 2006 6:32 am


Originally Posted by Bart
That supervisor needs to learn the SOP. There is nothing that says a container needs to have the manufacturer's label. The only situation I can see prohibiting an unlabelled container is when it alarms the ETD with a "strong hit" for explosives. It that case, it only makes sense to prohibit it. In all other cases, it does not.

Bart - if we're faced with a situation like this, what do you suggest we do to get this resolved while at the screening point and with our stuff? Who do we ask for, can we mention something for them to look at specifically, etc? For this scenario, could we ask them to show us where it says the container can't be un-labelled or will they tell us there is nothing or its SSI?


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