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L-1011 Sep 26, 2006 10:11 am


Originally Posted by iluv2fly
Will we have to put our baggie in a separate bin a la the laptop rule?

Perhaps Congress should authorize a Department of Ziplock Security?

The TSA video shows shoes and bag in the same bin. Oh horror, what a security risk :D

GeoGirl Sep 26, 2006 10:14 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA
Yes. Safety razors weren't even prohibited following September 11, 2001.

Thanks! On my longer trips, I never looked to see if it was allowed, just packed it in my checked baggage. I rarely take overnight trips and am trying to avoid checking baggage during the one I'm taking tomorrow.

GG

SuzanneSLO Sep 26, 2006 10:31 am

There is an exception for "beverages purchased after screening" but not for toothpaste or other toiletries larger than 3 oz. I am probably overthinking this, but it looks like the TSA still prohibits you from buying larger quantities of liquid toiletries airside and then boarding the plane.

doober Sep 26, 2006 10:43 am


Originally Posted by SuzanneSLO
There is an exception for "beverages purchased after screening" but not for toothpaste or other toiletries larger than 3 oz. I am probably overthinking this, but it looks like the TSA still prohibits you from buying larger quantities of liquid toiletries airside and then boarding the plane.

I've never bought anything other than food or drink airside, so I'm not familiar with what the shops have to offer re: toiletries....do they normally offer full-sized toiletries and are they now going to be required to offer only the small, sample sizes?

Seems to me if that is so, they still might be on the losing end of this charade economically.

Bart Sep 26, 2006 10:48 am

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Points Scrounger Sep 26, 2006 10:51 am


Originally Posted by SuzanneSLO
There is an exception for "beverages purchased after screening" but not for toothpaste or other toiletries larger than 3 oz. I am probably overthinking this, but it looks like the TSA still prohibits you from buying larger quantities of liquid toiletries airside and then boarding the plane.

I disagree. I'm inferring thar a quart-bag-per-person of "unknown origin" is considered maximum safety threshold :rolleyes: Once you're free of their clutches, you can buy as much stuff as you can lug onto the aircraft.

Bart Sep 26, 2006 10:52 am

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FliesWay2Much Sep 26, 2006 11:06 am

Folks -- Before you run out and dutifully buy this stuff in Chertoff-approved 3oz containers like compliant American Sheople, compare the apples-to-apples cost per unit of the TSA-approved size and the 55-gallon drums of the same stuff in the regular cosmetics aisle. The price difference per unit is enormous. Shampoo and listerine and, I suspect, some women's cosmetics are easily refillable. Toothpaste and deordorant are a bit more problematic. I haven't tried refilling a toothpaste tube yet, but there's always a first time.

All of the airport vendors will be pushing their "fly-away" kits at mega-bucks. Woe to anybody who actually buys stuff. Using the Spiff boycott approach, I suspect the loss of airside vendor revenue following 8/10 may have had more to do with yesterday's pronouncement than the TSA will ever admit. If there is no appreciable increase in revenue as of yesterday, we will send the message that Hawley hasn't gone far enough.

Superguy Sep 26, 2006 11:16 am


Originally Posted by Bart
All liquids, gels and aerosols purchased in the sterile area, regardless of size, are permitted aboard the aircraft.

What I don't get is if the stuff is screened at the airport upon delivery (airport shops) or if TSA screens it when we bring the stuff in, it's still screened either way.

If anything, what we submit for screening is more likely to receive closer scrutiny than big boxes of toothpaste or water brought in on a pallette.

So what's the hub-bub about size?

goalie Sep 26, 2006 11:20 am


Originally Posted by Bart
It's actually a one-quart size sealable plastic bag. I used the term "ziplock" because people can easily picture what I'm talking about. However, the requirement is that the items be placed in a plastic bag as opposed to inside an open toiletry bag.



As long as the bag can be sealed. It does not have to be a ziplock, per se. What matters is that it be no larger than a 1 quart bag, so a smaller bag is acceptable.



Thanks. I imagine that TSA nationwide will go through some "growing pains" making all the adjustments with these new procedures. By the time I come back, it will be a somewhat controlled chaos as opposed to total chaos. :p

thank you very much ^ and i don't know if i've said this before but apologies for some of my posts as yes, they are based on frustration (and sometimes ineptitude [which unfortunately you get caught in the middle]) and sometimes that does come out so again, my apologies-but more important-thank you again for all of your insight.

GeoGirl Sep 26, 2006 11:22 am


Originally Posted by Bart
They should be fine. I'd be interested in finding out how it works out.

Great! I've started repackaging my toiletries into these little containers. I found some tiny bottles, too, like .25 oz, which is all I need for a single day trip. The only thing that really worries me is if they decide they don't like my homemade labeled bottles. What if they don't like it and I have to leave it behind? I'll be left completely without products.

I actually tried to call the TSA traveler help line to see if I could get clarification and some assurance that my tiny self-labeled bottles would be okay. Wanna know what happened?

The "thanks for calling us" message still says no liquids or gels are allowed in checked baggage. They said "extensive" information was available on the TSA web site. There were 56 people ahead of me and my wait time was expected to be less than 47 minutes. And no, I'm not waiting. LOL

GG

Bart Sep 26, 2006 11:35 am

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Traveller Sep 26, 2006 11:35 am

I am still confused
 

Originally Posted by LLM
Thx, Bart. Fortunately, all of my "contraband" fit into the one quart ziplock I purchased at the supermarket today. Just to confirm, my previously allowed solid deodorant, chapstick, eye drops, etc can stay where they were in my luggage or purse and only the lip gloss, lotion, daily wear lenses, etc get presented in the ziplock?

Thanks Bart for answering all these questions. ^ ^

I have a request, I haven't seen if this question was answered or not and since I am at a client site working this week :eek: I don't have the time or the ability to read all the hundreds of answers on these threads. Can this question be reanswered even if it already was? My main question is... do the items that I was already able to bring in my carryon (solid deoderant, contact lens solution, eye drops, etc) now have to be placed in a quart size baggie or can they still stay in my 20inch roller?

Thanks!

FWAAA Sep 26, 2006 11:40 am


Originally Posted by Traveller
My main question is... do the items that I was already able to bring in my carryon (solid deoderant, contact lens solution, eye drops, etc) now have to be placed in a quart size baggie or can they still stay in my 20inch roller?

They need not be placed in the baggie. The baggie is for items that were not permitted yesterday but are now permitted today (shampoo, toothpaste, hair gel, etc). The other excepted items (like 4 oz bottle of saline and eye drops, etc) don't have to go in the baggie.

BNA_flyer Sep 26, 2006 11:44 am


Originally Posted by GeoGirl
Great! I've started repackaging my toiletries into these little containers. I found some tiny bottles, too, like .25 oz, which is all I need for a single day trip. The only thing that really worries me is if they decide they don't like my homemade labeled bottles. What if they don't like it and I have to leave it behind? I'll be left completely without products.

This is my dilemma as well. I had already (well before the liquid ban) started carrying small bottles of assorted toiletries, enough for a week or two, in my carryon and refilling them at home as needed. They were either marked with handwritten labels or completely unlabeled, since I could tell at a glance what some of them were. So now I'm wondering, when I bring these through in my quart-size ziploc bag, will the TSA believe me that my small bottle of after-shave toner is actually after-shave toner, or will I have to use it/drink it/throw it away?


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