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That is because there is no logic used behind this ban. Its simply there to
waste tax payers money and haraSSSSS innocent passengers. It does nothing
to stop bad people.

Bart -- Agree 100%. I can't help thinking that this baggie thing is like what happened in WWII. The government invented all sorts of ways for the civilian population who weren't in the military to "do their part" and "participate" in the war effort. There were initiatives like women not wearing nylons in order to make parachutes, dismantling wrought iron fences to be melted down and turned into tanks, etc. Hindsight reveals that very little of this had any military utility other than to assure that the civilian population bought into the war effort.

On most days of the week, I'm convinced the baggie idea with all its attendant rules was conceived as a way to allow passengers to participate in the war on terror by doing something tangible that the government (i.e. TSA) could give them a passing grade upon. Passengers go out of their way to make sure they do it right, and I've got to believe many of them feel a termendous sense of accomplishment when their baggie and its contents is deemed worthy. The Shoe Carnival really didn't do it because there was no sense of accomplishment and participation. The baggie and its contents, on the other hand, requires effort and creativity, much akin to an elementary school project presented to a teacher. (The above was part of recent a conversation I had with a cultural anthropologist friend who had recently observed Operation Baggie for the first time. FYI, she simply checked her bag to avoid the hassle.)

If the government(TSA) is trying to engage people in a positive way, they should comeup with some logical plan to do so. Things you have mentioned
may have looked useless/stupid in the hind site, but what we are going through is just plain stupid to begin with.

I think people are already doing their part. Like the shoe bomber incident..
and the united flight on 9/11/01 and countless other incidents
when passengers
stepped in to stop some out-of control passenger from disrupting the flight.

the shoe carnival, the liquid ban and the quart bag and 3oz container makes
absolutely no sense. Rules are not consistent and they cannot be enforced.


If they come up with a ban, they should be able to enforce them... else not
have them at all.

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Shoe Carnival Shocker!
 

Last week I forgot to remove my shoes in IND. It was an honest mistake- it was late at night and I just completely forgot. But nobody caught it! And these shoes had a heck of a sole on them- like 2 inches, I think. They were these shoes so you can see how big the sole really is. It's huge! So they definitely would have wanted to check them, but they completely missed that I was even wearing them! I was actually in shock. IND tends to be sticklers for the rules- if you don't have your zippie, you aren't taking a single liquid through. Period. But to have missed this detail? I was tempted to go back and go, "Hey! You missed my shoes! Screen these suckers!" But hubby wouldn't let me, thinking it was suspicious behavior. LOL

GG

Unfortunately, the baby will NOT be travelling with me - if he was, I wouldn't need to pump milk for four days ;)

There are way too many cases I know of where moms travelling alone have been required to dump their milk at security checkpoints, for me to risk it.

I was concerned the empty containers might not be permitted. Since passengers cannot carry empty water bottles to fill when they get past security, why would TSA consider my 6oz empty breastmilk containers to be any different?

I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck - I really want to know how to make this work with the current restrictions. I'm already struggling with the logistics of packing/checking about 100oz of milk for the return flight home since I believe I cannot carry it on.

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The Flyertalk TOS prohibit me from adequately describing what I'd like to see happen to anyone who would ban breast milk from a woman's carryon.

Just doin' my job? BS.

Only a spineless, worthless coward would participate in the confiscation/banning/forced "surrender" of breast milk because some A-hole boss (like Chertoff or Hawley) ordered them to do so. Period.

No paycheck would ever be large enough to convince me to go along. I'm certain that some will disagree. This lunacy is made possible only because there are some 44,000 "patriots" willing to go along with this madness. America has come to this? I'm disappointed.

Would Stalin or Mao have ordered airport screeners to abuse citizens like this?

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Well, you said a mouthful there, pardner. ^

For one thing, it seems that these guys don't know and don't care to know that the primary reason for carrying breast milk is that baby is NOT with Mom, but has been in the care of another for a few days. Mom has to express milk to keep lactating and now must throw it away.

When indignities like this are met with a yawn and an "Oh, well." something has indeed be lost.

Now...I don't want to come off as overzealous here, because I'm really a very reasonable feminist. But....it seems to me that one might argue that these rules are somewhat discriminatory to women. Specifically, the problems with breast milk come to mind, but also, as I've mentioned before, as a woman I tend to carry more liquid/gel type products in the form of skin care, makeup, hair care, etc. Without getting into the whole socialization-of-women-by-women's-magazines-to-use-more-and-more-product mumbo jumbo, it just seems to me that where a man could easily toss deodorant, shave cream, and a razor in his bag and take off for the hotel, women do tend to carry many more products (I counted 15 in my quart-sized baggie recently, all in dram-sized containers so they could fit) and thus, the Zippie carnival make things much more difficult on women than on men (metrosexuals excluded).

I considered calling NOW to see if they could get involved, but I'm afraid they'll tell me that I shouldn't be wearing makeup and perpetuating the objectification and subjugation of women. My more zealous sisters might, however, find the breast milk issue interesting. Just a thought, anyway.

GG

I was thinking La Leche League.

If it is going to get tossed, no need to carry it throught the checkpoint.

Yet the OP expects to be carrying 100 oz of milk? Are there refrigeration issues?

What am I missing?

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LOL. I've said it before, that only someone with no experience of breastfeeding in their household would have made that stupid rule about the baby being present. If the baby was present there wouldn't be any need for the bottled milk! (OK, some possible exceptions if the kid is a flailer and Mom is concerned with being modest in tight quarters.) News flash: mom produces it, and will continue to do so in the short-term even if the baby is no where in the same time zone. It has to go somewhere, and if there is no baby present, the somewhere it properly goes is to the inside of a bottle.

My suggestion on the proper way to handle the issue is to ask to see the pump. (Not handle it, just see it, case flap open. The horns and tubing give away the purpose pretty clearly.) If the passenger is female and carrying a pump, then she should be allowed to carry the bottles of milk with it. If you really want to be invasive about it, ask for a physician's note that contains the passenger's name, but for criminy's sake, drop the business about the baby being present.

PS: 100 oz. of milk is a little over a day's worth if you produce well. It will keep on ice in a cooler bag for up to 48 hours if the ice is changed constantly and the bag is well insulated. (32-39F) Longer than that and it would need to be hard-frozen and kept frozen. It makes more sense to chill than to freeze for short-duration transport, because once thawed, previously frozen milk must be used within 24 hours.

since gel based ice-packs may not be allowed, you can borrow some
ice from the cabine crew.. or from a soda machine from the
airside food-court...

[QUOTE=22wingit It makes more sense to chill than to freeze for short-duration transport, because once thawed, previously frozen milk must be used within 24 hours.[/QUOTE]

If trip is domestic, then freezing and carrying insulated should do the trick even with minimal extra ice or even none if the door to door time short. It will stay at 32 degrees as long as there is any ice left. From there to home fridge and use it up!

Women's rights? You bet. Kids rights, too. Still male, female, young or old ALL are being stripped of dignity.

Gel filled freezer packs are allowed on if required.


"Passengers should only carry-on medications that are required to be available during their itinerary. This includes items like gel filled freezer packs or non-prescription liquid or gel medications, such as saline solution or KY-Jelly, required for medical necessity."