Passengers Complaining
Nov 29, 2003 | 5:18 pm
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Passengers Complaining
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.
Nov 29, 2003 | 8:59 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
Such "inconveniences" are stupid, unnecessary, and are extremely un-American.
Your agency's stupidity adds nothing to safety and actually increases the likelihood of terrorist because you're focusing on non-threats instead of credible ones.
I don't think I've ever seen a more disgusting, un-American set of policies than those implemented by the incompetent, fascist upper management at the TSA. They should be shot or hung as traitors.
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Nov 29, 2003 | 9:26 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
If the TSA had been in business prior to 9/11, I can almost guarantee you that things would not have happened much (if any) differently. The hijackers would have likely gotten their box cutters and other pointy objects onto the plane anyway, as TSA security and screening is far from foolproof. And even if they hadn't, there would have been some other backup plan in place to enable them to take control of the aircraft.
Since the TSA has been in business, there have been numerous breaches of security that have been discovered; some have been widely covered by the media, and I'm sure that some have not. Take the recent planting of box cutters on aircraft by a few young Americans as just one example.
Since the TSA has been in business, people have had items stolen from their now unlocked luggage. This would have been far less likely to have happened had the TSA not initiated their ridiculous "leave your baggage unlocked" policy. There's no reason that passengers can't keep their bags locked and be called to a private room behind the security checkpoint to be present if their bag(s) require a manual inspection. That would also reduce the number of chances that TSA agents have to steal stuff too (there are a few bad apples in your organization who do this, I am sure).
The TSA's version of security is, unfortunately, equivalent to putting a sign saying "Please don't burglarize this house" in your front yard and not using deadbolt locks on the doors to your home. The current methods in some airports are just short of hilarious and useless (I've gone through some detectors with my shoes on, and the shoes I wear should set them off). And the methods in other airports are just short of being strip-searched, with agents that try to confiscate allowed items from you, saying that they're prohibited.
If this is what security is, then I'll opt for no security as that option is faster, more convenient, and just slightly riskier than the current situation.
It is unfortunate that uniform results cannot be produced at all airports using uniform procedures at all airports. And it is also unfortunate that the majority of the American public has been tricked into believing that they must be inconvienced and have their privacy violated by a government organization to receive merely the appearance of security.
Nov 30, 2003 | 12:14 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CATSA Screener:
you're just provoking the usual suspects.
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you're just provoking the usual suspects.
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Nov 30, 2003 | 1:30 am
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Part of the problem is nothing is in black and white, most of it is gray and left up to the interpretation of the management at all the individual airports. Private sector had hoped that when the Feds took over this gray area would disappear but it didn't it just got bigger. Everything is left up to the common sense of the people working and we all know how that works. That is why you have the inconsistencies. Look at some of the airports that have been mentioned, when it comes to common sense there is a lack of it. As for items being stolen because bags are left unlocked, this has been going on for years and 99% of the time it is found to be ramp agents not security personnel.
Nov 30, 2003 | 4:50 am
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I'm part of the National Screening Force for the TSA and have had the experience of seeing how different airports & TSA procedures can vary. I know that every airport is supposed to have "McDonald's" security, but each airport is like a Mom & Pop cafe. This might take a while, please bear with us.
Nov 30, 2003 | 5:36 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by secretscreener:
As for items being stolen because bags are left unlocked, this has been going on for years and 99% of the time it is found to be ramp agents not security personnel.</font>
As for items being stolen because bags are left unlocked, this has been going on for years and 99% of the time it is found to be ramp agents not security personnel.</font>
I blame the TSA.
Nov 30, 2003 | 10:43 am
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The TSA is doing its job - sucking up taxpayer money while doing nothing to deter terrorism. Osama Bin Laden thanks you.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
Nov 30, 2003 | 1:54 pm
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I for one will not fault the passengers for complaining. The TSA designed the system, the passengers are merely the end users of this system.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences.</font>
Nov 30, 2003 | 3:05 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by supervision_tsa:
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
The ones who complain the most about secondary screening or, for that fact, any type of screening would be the first to complain that TSA was not doing their job, in the event of a terrorist attack. If you want to be safe, you must give up some conveniences. Terrorists are now using children to accomplish their goals so please stop complaining about that extra minute or two that you spend on screening. If you'll notice, it's the airline ticket counters that hold you up and not the screening process. Register your complaints with the airlines.</font>
The time I spend dealing with the TSA is significant compared to what little time I have to deal with an airline ticket counter, if any. At least the airlines and ticket counter agents treat me with courtesy as a customer and don't yell at me, verbally degrade me, or harass me like some TSA agents do.
As far as the TSA, it's a friggin multi-bilion dollar taxpayer joke. Many of the policies (plus policies the TSA is wanting to push over on us, i.e. CAPPS II) are UN-AMERICAN and blantant invasions of privacy. The TSA is not only a disgusting waste of money and resources, but an un-American government organization with no respect for passenger privacy.
Face it, there are risks in this world. The TSA needs to be focusing on real security threats and not pointy objects, unnecessary shoe searches, and passenger harassment (i.e. checking ID's 4 times within 20 ft at the checkpoint) to make people "feel good and safe".
FWIW, I've been doing a lot of travel in Europe lately and I must say it's a pleasure to travel there because I don't have to deal with the TSA. At the same time, security is professional, I can lock my baggage, and as a passenger I'm not harassed.
If you want to give you your rights, freedoms, and privacy in order to "feel safe", I suggest you move to Cuba or perhaps North Korea -- or you could always set the clock back 40 years and move to the USSR as well I suppose.
SDF_Traveler
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Dec 2, 2003 | 3:03 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito:
If people aren't willing to have patience, why should the screeners have patience with the passengers who complain?</font>
If people aren't willing to have patience, why should the screeners have patience with the passengers who complain?</font>
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Dec 2, 2003 | 3:11 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary. What a novel concept.
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Because it's your freaking job and I (as a traveler) am paying your freaking salary. What a novel concept.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito:
I'm tired of fighting for TSA's sake, and tired of trying to get people to see both sides of the story. Some people obviously only like their side, which makes them A$$holes, $hitheads, C**Ksuckers, you name it. I'm tired of someone telling me I know squat about security and safety. I'm tired of someone telling me my job is a joke. And I'm sick and tired of know-it-alls who only want to B*tch and moan and not come up with a solution. You know what we would do with you when I was in the military. Drop your @ss out in the middle of nowhere to rot and die, or ship you back home to your mommie to bottle feed you a little more til you grow up and become a real person. I'm not the type of person to let things under my skin. But I do, however, believe in respect. Now I don't care if you want to generalize people, it's wrong and it shouldn't be done. If you can't say something respectable about the people who do their jobs correctly and work every day to bring home money to pay bills, then come on in to NC, we'll meet, I'll show you what hard work is and give you a better perspective of what respect means. </font>
I'm tired of fighting for TSA's sake, and tired of trying to get people to see both sides of the story. Some people obviously only like their side, which makes them A$$holes, $hitheads, C**Ksuckers, you name it. I'm tired of someone telling me I know squat about security and safety. I'm tired of someone telling me my job is a joke. And I'm sick and tired of know-it-alls who only want to B*tch and moan and not come up with a solution. You know what we would do with you when I was in the military. Drop your @ss out in the middle of nowhere to rot and die, or ship you back home to your mommie to bottle feed you a little more til you grow up and become a real person. I'm not the type of person to let things under my skin. But I do, however, believe in respect. Now I don't care if you want to generalize people, it's wrong and it shouldn't be done. If you can't say something respectable about the people who do their jobs correctly and work every day to bring home money to pay bills, then come on in to NC, we'll meet, I'll show you what hard work is and give you a better perspective of what respect means. </font>
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