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Dec 8, 2003 | 12:22 pm
#46
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Take, I wouldn't say clueless, just mean and spiteful as usual. I don't ever remember reading anything helpful or positive from this "contributor."
Dec 8, 2003 | 9:39 pm
#49
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Do you know (probably not...) that is was little "pointy" things that brought down the 4 planes?
And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"...
Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it!
As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK...
And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"...
Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it!
As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK...
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SDF_Traveler:
Bull.... .. in fact I don't even have to use airline ticket counters the majority of the time thanks to on-line check-in, kiosk check-in, etc. The only time I use the ticket counter is when I check luggage, which takes a couple minutes at most because I'm already checked in, I have my boarding pass, and it takes just a matter of seconds to print a routing label and provide me with a claim check.
The time I spend dealing with the TSA is significant compared to what little time I have to deal with an airline ticket counter, if any. At least the airlines and ticket counter agents treat me with courtesy as a customer and don't yell at me, verbally degrade me, or harass me like some TSA agents do.
As far as the TSA, it's a friggin multi-bilion dollar taxpayer joke. Many of the policies (plus policies the TSA is wanting to push over on us, i.e. CAPPS II) are UN-AMERICAN and blantant invasions of privacy. The TSA is not only a disgusting waste of money and resources, but an un-American government organization with no respect for passenger privacy.
Face it, there are risks in this world. The TSA needs to be focusing on real security threats and not pointy objects, unnecessary shoe searches, and passenger harassment (i.e. checking ID's 4 times within 20 ft at the checkpoint) to make people "feel good and safe".
FWIW, I've been doing a lot of travel in Europe lately and I must say it's a pleasure to travel there because I don't have to deal with the TSA. At the same time, security is professional, I can lock my baggage, and as a passenger I'm not harassed.
If you want to give you your rights, freedoms, and privacy in order to "feel safe", I suggest you move to Cuba or perhaps North Korea -- or you could always set the clock back 40 years and move to the USSR as well I suppose.
SDF_Traveler
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Bull.... .. in fact I don't even have to use airline ticket counters the majority of the time thanks to on-line check-in, kiosk check-in, etc. The only time I use the ticket counter is when I check luggage, which takes a couple minutes at most because I'm already checked in, I have my boarding pass, and it takes just a matter of seconds to print a routing label and provide me with a claim check.
The time I spend dealing with the TSA is significant compared to what little time I have to deal with an airline ticket counter, if any. At least the airlines and ticket counter agents treat me with courtesy as a customer and don't yell at me, verbally degrade me, or harass me like some TSA agents do.
As far as the TSA, it's a friggin multi-bilion dollar taxpayer joke. Many of the policies (plus policies the TSA is wanting to push over on us, i.e. CAPPS II) are UN-AMERICAN and blantant invasions of privacy. The TSA is not only a disgusting waste of money and resources, but an un-American government organization with no respect for passenger privacy.
Face it, there are risks in this world. The TSA needs to be focusing on real security threats and not pointy objects, unnecessary shoe searches, and passenger harassment (i.e. checking ID's 4 times within 20 ft at the checkpoint) to make people "feel good and safe".
FWIW, I've been doing a lot of travel in Europe lately and I must say it's a pleasure to travel there because I don't have to deal with the TSA. At the same time, security is professional, I can lock my baggage, and as a passenger I'm not harassed.
If you want to give you your rights, freedoms, and privacy in order to "feel safe", I suggest you move to Cuba or perhaps North Korea -- or you could always set the clock back 40 years and move to the USSR as well I suppose.
SDF_Traveler
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Dec 8, 2003 | 10:00 pm
#50
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But our "CAMERAS" will catch the aggressive passenger that your recorder won't hear...
And aggressive/irrate passengers can be told "You will not fly today" or "You will not come thru a Federal Checkpoint"!!!
It is a FEDERAL CRIME to intimidate, hinder, interfere, assult, etc... with a Federal Agent in the performance of their duties...
And aggressive/irrate passengers can be told "You will not fly today" or "You will not come thru a Federal Checkpoint"!!!
It is a FEDERAL CRIME to intimidate, hinder, interfere, assult, etc... with a Federal Agent in the performance of their duties...
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by clrankin:
"You will not fly today." That five word phrase would be enough for me right there to inform the TSA agent that our entire conversation was recorded on my PocketPC that was sitting on top of everything in my bag. (and yes, I do turn the record function on before I go through security) It would also be enough for me to insist that he get his supervisor's boss (not just his supervisor) over to handle the situation, along with a law enforcement official. I would want to ensure that my rights were not violated throughout the entire process.
People that are hard-nosed with me quickly learn that I can be just as (if not even more) hard-nosed right back at them.
BTW, such a phrase would also automatically generate a complaint against the screener, no matter whether s/he was in the right or wrong. The people on power trips need to be weeded out, as they are some of the folks giving the TSA a very, very bad public relations problem.</font>
"You will not fly today." That five word phrase would be enough for me right there to inform the TSA agent that our entire conversation was recorded on my PocketPC that was sitting on top of everything in my bag. (and yes, I do turn the record function on before I go through security) It would also be enough for me to insist that he get his supervisor's boss (not just his supervisor) over to handle the situation, along with a law enforcement official. I would want to ensure that my rights were not violated throughout the entire process.
People that are hard-nosed with me quickly learn that I can be just as (if not even more) hard-nosed right back at them.
BTW, such a phrase would also automatically generate a complaint against the screener, no matter whether s/he was in the right or wrong. The people on power trips need to be weeded out, as they are some of the folks giving the TSA a very, very bad public relations problem.</font>
Dec 9, 2003 | 12:17 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by whatsinyourbag:
Do you know (probably not...) that is was little "pointy" things that brought down the 4 planes?
And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"...
Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it!
As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK...
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Do you know (probably not...) that is was little "pointy" things that brought down the 4 planes?
And travel in foreign airports and encounter security personel with "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS"...
Get a clue, cooperate with the program, and live to appreciate it!
As far as TSA agents stealing passengers JUNK, too many cameras where we operate, not stupid enought to loose a decent job for JUNK...
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If you think pointy objects brought down those planes, I've really got to wonder how you manage to tie your shoes. The same result would have happened if the terrorists used martial arts. What would your agency's feeble-minded response be?
Live to appreciate it? No way. If anything, you ought to appreciate that we live in a civilized society where unpatriotic fascists aren't assaulted or hanged by citizens outraged by their behavior.
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Dec 9, 2003 | 5:50 am
#52
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oh, but i bet you have wet dreams at night wanting to do that spiff....
you constantly want to act out violently against percieved injustice in a vigilante style fashion, and quite possibly you might-people who harbor these thoughts at some point lose control...
for all the times i have been called a thug on this board, i have never insinuated for the wholesale murder of the people who i don't care for on this board like you have...
it would be nice if the moderators reined you in on at least this part of your crying...
[This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 09, 2003).]
you constantly want to act out violently against percieved injustice in a vigilante style fashion, and quite possibly you might-people who harbor these thoughts at some point lose control...
for all the times i have been called a thug on this board, i have never insinuated for the wholesale murder of the people who i don't care for on this board like you have...
it would be nice if the moderators reined you in on at least this part of your crying...
[This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 09, 2003).]
Dec 9, 2003 | 6:07 am
#53
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jrjcd:
???????
i admit i'm a "newbie" here, but i only have one handle on this board...
who do i sound like???would like to do a search on his posts and see what he says...
[This message has been edited by jrjcd (edited Dec 07, 2003).]</font>
???????
i admit i'm a "newbie" here, but i only have one handle on this board...
who do i sound like???would like to do a search on his posts and see what he says...
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Dec 9, 2003 | 9:39 am
#55
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Spiff, I too have to take serious afront to your words above. No, we do not live in such a society, because if we did no one would be safe.
As for the "pointy items" bringing down the planes. YES, it was sharp pointy items. Granted that it was also the pre-911 airline attitude that terrorists don't intend to down a plane, but to only commandeer it. We all know better than that now. A hard lesson to have learned.
As for the "pointy items" bringing down the planes. YES, it was sharp pointy items. Granted that it was also the pre-911 airline attitude that terrorists don't intend to down a plane, but to only commandeer it. We all know better than that now. A hard lesson to have learned.
Dec 9, 2003 | 10:02 am
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OK, but we learned that lesson, didn't we? What's the point of restricting pointy objects NOW? Nobody could possibly take over a plane with a pair of scissors or any other ordinary item like that. So why restrict them? It's just stupid -- as well as wasteful of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.
Sure, keep guns off of planes -- including guns in the hands of pilots and air marshals! Sure, keep bombs off planes. No argument there. But children's scissors and things like that? Leave us alone about that sort of thing.
And, for crying out loud, stop looking at IDs so much. Nothing contributes LESS to real security.
Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change.
Bruce
Sure, keep guns off of planes -- including guns in the hands of pilots and air marshals! Sure, keep bombs off planes. No argument there. But children's scissors and things like that? Leave us alone about that sort of thing.
And, for crying out loud, stop looking at IDs so much. Nothing contributes LESS to real security.
Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change.
Bruce
Dec 9, 2003 | 10:11 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel:
Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change.
Bruce</font>
Oh, and I do know that ordinary screeners don't make the rules, but you might as well make your feelings known. The more people complain, the more likely that things will change.
Bruce</font>
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Dec 9, 2003 | 12:10 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by The Unknown Screener:
The TSA can be called a "hostile work environment." The "Leads" and "Supervisors" were hired with no regard of past experience. Hence, many of them are what we termed "headhunters." They try to make themselves look good by making others look bad. Of course this is not universally true, but I am sure that every airport has at least one of these cretins. Any screener who voices a dissenting opinion of the procedures can, and probably will be labeled "insubordinate." The economy is picking up, so I expect more screeners to throw off the "yoke of silence."</font>
The TSA can be called a "hostile work environment." The "Leads" and "Supervisors" were hired with no regard of past experience. Hence, many of them are what we termed "headhunters." They try to make themselves look good by making others look bad. Of course this is not universally true, but I am sure that every airport has at least one of these cretins. Any screener who voices a dissenting opinion of the procedures can, and probably will be labeled "insubordinate." The economy is picking up, so I expect more screeners to throw off the "yoke of silence."</font>
Dec 9, 2003 | 12:43 pm
#59
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Unknown Screener I'm not sure why you feel that we as leads and supervisors as a whole were not hired on our qualifications. I am a lead and for one have more than adequate qualifications. However, on the other hand, the biggest portion of the management staff had been hired because of their airline backgrounds, not security or management backgrounds. Do you see a problem here?
As to your statement that screeners will be charged with insubordination if they complain, trust me, it isn't only you. Just this past two days I have been threatened with insubordination by management for questioning a manager and Supervisor's handling of an IED. I will continue to do so on the grounds that I, as a lead have a responsibility to act if I see something that will get them hurt or killed.
(please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.
As to your statement that screeners will be charged with insubordination if they complain, trust me, it isn't only you. Just this past two days I have been threatened with insubordination by management for questioning a manager and Supervisor's handling of an IED. I will continue to do so on the grounds that I, as a lead have a responsibility to act if I see something that will get them hurt or killed.
(please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.
Dec 9, 2003 | 12:46 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain:
(please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.</font>
(please, CarmelGreg don't come back at me with that "flag Waiving" cr..p.</font>
