Feb 6, 2020, 10:47 am
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- NO POLITICS IN THIS THREAD. To discuss the politics of what has happened, please use the separate designated thread.
- Existing NY GE members are not affected until the expiration of their current membership (renewals are blocked)
- Rule applies to:
- Vehicle exports
- Applications and renewals for GE, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST
- Separate precheck memberships (not connected to GE, NEXUS, SENTRI or FAST) are not affected
- Fees will be refunded, according to CFB officer.
- Letter from DHS website
- DHS statement Feb. 6
- The following is from this article: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/glo...s-affected-ttp
- 86,000 people will be "affected immediately...including those with pending applications and those up for renewal"
- 800,000 people could be affected over five years
- "[T]hose people no longer eligible for TTP who had pending applications will receive refunds"
- Statements from the NY Attorney General
[Updated] Global Entry, Trusted Traveler Programs Reinstated for NY Residents
Feb 6, 2020, 9:00 am
#76
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So if a state somehow manages to bar the federal government from obtaining information of individuals residing in that state, and the federal government is now unable to process individuals from which it requires same information, that’s the fault of the federal government? I suppose they could come up with some other way of obtaining that information.
This doesnt really affect me since I already have Global Entry and got it inly because my credit card paid the fee but dont really forsee myself renewing it when it expires since i dont have much more than an occasional leisure international trip and i dont plan on living in NY for much longer anyway.
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This doesnt really affect me since I already have Global Entry and got it inly because my credit card paid the fee but dont really forsee myself renewing it when it expires since i dont have much more than an occasional leisure international trip and i dont plan on living in NY for much longer anyway.
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Feb 6, 2020, 9:02 am
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I haven't read every post - don't flame me too bad if this came up - but I drive to Canada frequently, and they certainly DO have access to your (USA) driving information in real time. I know this because of the number of times a passenger in the car with me was asked about various offenses, DUI, etc. (Not the same passenger.) They have real-time access to your CC Permit too, if that matters to you. And purchase histories of certain items. And much more. Their country, their rules.
Pending DUI's are enough to exclude you from Global Entry, and I don't know if "pending" cases are in any criminal database yet. That's just one example. One is adequate.
Interestingly, you cannot fly without your REAL ID - which you cannot get without proof of status. So none of the folks taking advantage of this New York law will suffer. The other 95% will, though. No other way to frame it.
Pending DUI's are enough to exclude you from Global Entry, and I don't know if "pending" cases are in any criminal database yet. That's just one example. One is adequate.
Interestingly, you cannot fly without your REAL ID - which you cannot get without proof of status. So none of the folks taking advantage of this New York law will suffer. The other 95% will, though. No other way to frame it.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:03 am
#78
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So if a state somehow manages to bar the federal government from obtaining information of individuals residing in that state, and the federal government is now unable to process individuals from which it requires same information, that’s the fault of the federal government?
Feb 6, 2020, 9:04 am
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and the federal government is now unable to process individuals from which it requires same information, that’s the fault of the federal government? I suppose they could come up with some other way of obtaining that information.
I'm not going to address your incorrect political assertions, but the points you have made regarding checkpoint and border security are demonstrably false.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:06 am
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The Federal Government isn't barred from obtaining information of individuals from NY.
The Federal Government is able to process information, and has access to all the information they need. In fact, the Department of State (part of the Federal Government) has almost all of the needed information on file. The remainder is almost entirely publicly available, and many affected individuals do not have either a vehicle or driver's license.
I'm not going to address your incorrect political assertions, but the points you have made regarding checkpoint and border security are demonstrably false.
The Federal Government is able to process information, and has access to all the information they need. In fact, the Department of State (part of the Federal Government) has almost all of the needed information on file. The remainder is almost entirely publicly available, and many affected individuals do not have either a vehicle or driver's license.
I'm not going to address your incorrect political assertions, but the points you have made regarding checkpoint and border security are demonstrably false.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:14 am
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Yes. I have seen nothing to indicate that the law in question prohibits the US Attorney's Offices, the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, HHS, Transportation, HUD, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, the intelligence community, and independent and quasi-independent agencies from accessing NYS DMV records.
The law includes a specific ban on the small part of the government that "primarily enforces immigration law". The vast majority of the feds retain access, including State who already has most of the information DHS claims they need from the DMV. The SSA, for example, hasn't lost the ability to check DMV records for car ownership when determining social security disability insurance eligibility.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:15 am
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If I had to "predict what they will do next," NY will somehow allow exceptions for DHS with the consent of the applicant. Also, it sounds like other TT programs are more hindered by the law than GE.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:15 am
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A drivers license is ONE ELIGIBLE DOCUMENT utilized by the DHS to determine eligibility for the the GE program. If someone has said drivers license and uses it during the application process as an acceptable form of identification or proof of "domicile" AND the DHS cannot access the NY DMV database to further determine said person's eligibility for the program, how can they do their job and process the application? The GE program is not a right; it is a potential benefit given to certain people who meet ALL program requirements.
Is there potentially other ways for the DHS to access this information? Maybe. But you can't make different rules for different states and different ways to process applications. The state of NY has denied the DHS this ability to do their jobs. No other state has done this and the DHS has not tried to revoke GE access to other states.
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Feb 6, 2020, 9:17 am
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Yes. I have seen nothing to indicate that the law in question prohibits the US Attorney's Offices, the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, HHS, Transportation, HUD, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, the intelligence community, and independent and quasi-independent agencies from accessing NYS DMV records.
The law includes a specific ban on the small part of the government that "primarily enforces immigration law". The vast majority of the feds retain access, including State who already has most of the information DHS claims they need from the DMV. The SSA, for example, hasn't lost the ability to check DMV records for car ownership when determining social security disability insurance eligibility.
The law includes a specific ban on the small part of the government that "primarily enforces immigration law". The vast majority of the feds retain access, including State who already has most of the information DHS claims they need from the DMV. The SSA, for example, hasn't lost the ability to check DMV records for car ownership when determining social security disability insurance eligibility.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:19 am
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Feb 6, 2020, 9:21 am
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Try reading the law: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation...47/amendment/b.
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Feb 6, 2020, 9:22 am
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Yes. I have seen nothing to indicate that the law in question prohibits the US Attorney's Offices, the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, HHS, Transportation, HUD, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, the intelligence community, and independent and quasi-independent agencies from accessing NYS DMV records.
The law includes a specific ban on the small part of the government that "primarily enforces immigration law". The vast majority of the feds retain access, including State who already has most of the information DHS claims they need from the DMV. The SSA, for example, hasn't lost the ability to check DMV records for car ownership when determining social security disability insurance eligibility.
The law includes a specific ban on the small part of the government that "primarily enforces immigration law". The vast majority of the feds retain access, including State who already has most of the information DHS claims they need from the DMV. The SSA, for example, hasn't lost the ability to check DMV records for car ownership when determining social security disability insurance eligibility.
Feb 6, 2020, 9:24 am
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What record needs to be corrected? The plain language of the law is clear. DHS cannot access DMV records, the rest of the federal government can. The Department of Homeland Security does not comprise the entire Federal Government, to say that the Feds can no longer get DMV records is a bald-faced lie.