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US/UK Electronics bans discussion
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Electronic Devices Banned on Flights to US & UK from 10 ME Countries
Mar 21, 2017, 12:12 pm
#196
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Yes, not as concerned with iPads/Laptops, but more so cameras. Kind of upsetting as I was planning on bringing a very nice camera with me on my honeymoon to SE asia. Returning via AUH-JFK.
Maybe shipping & insuring prior to returning and keep the memory card....for photography folks? Still annoying not being able to edit on the UL flights from the middle east.
Maybe shipping & insuring prior to returning and keep the memory card....for photography folks? Still annoying not being able to edit on the UL flights from the middle east.
If forced to choose, I can afford to lose my camera, but not the memories / photos taken from the destination that I may not be back again, if ever
Mar 21, 2017, 12:13 pm
#197
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There does become a question of proportionality though. If you follow the "but it's safer" argument, we'll all end up being required to fly naked, with no possessions.
Flying is an exceptionally safe form of transportation. The number of terrorist incidents are (thankfully) vanishingly small. Over the past ten years, 225 people have lost their lives in aviation terror attacks globally.
Over the same period, ~290 people drowned in their own bathtub in the UK. Should we be banning bathtubs too, for safety?
Flying is an exceptionally safe form of transportation. The number of terrorist incidents are (thankfully) vanishingly small. Over the past ten years, 225 people have lost their lives in aviation terror attacks globally.
Over the same period, ~290 people drowned in their own bathtub in the UK. Should we be banning bathtubs too, for safety?
Thousands of fatalities in a single year in the EU only. An immediate ban should be imposed!
Mar 21, 2017, 12:13 pm
#198
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Mar 21, 2017, 12:17 pm
#199
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I was broken into and had a laptop and external HD stolen once and lost all photos from several trips. Of the over $25K value of items I had stolen, photos were by far the ones that hurt the most, and it wasn't even close.
Mar 21, 2017, 12:18 pm
#200
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On the contrary, it would surprise me if the EU followed for one simple reason, one that i keep repeating:
If there is a threat out there, why did the UK cherry pick the list and remove Qatar and UAE? Is it because they know it is bogus and they would face a huge backlash if they went ahead with it?
Like I said before, this move by the UK removes any credibility and urgency to this travel ban.
If there is a threat out there, why did the UK cherry pick the list and remove Qatar and UAE? Is it because they know it is bogus and they would face a huge backlash if they went ahead with it?
Like I said before, this move by the UK removes any credibility and urgency to this travel ban.
RAM let me switch to connecting in YUL instead of my JFK so it looks like the airlines are trying to make things work out
Last edited by ROCAT; Mar 21, 2017 at 12:24 pm
Mar 21, 2017, 12:24 pm
#201
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Aircraft hold fire suppression is not effective against lithium battery fires and several cargo flight hull losses and fatalities have resulted from such fires. There is significant risk if such a fire develops in the hold of an aircraft that is not near a diversion airport (such as on an oceanic route).
Mar 21, 2017, 12:28 pm
#202
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The UK has now followed suit: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39343971
Mar 21, 2017, 12:31 pm
#203
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It wouldn't surprise me if other European countries follow soon (ie. France/Germany, etc). It's clear that there is a threat out there after the Somalia plane incident. For the government to implement this policy, they clearly know that the "bad" people have found a way to bring the laptop through security & cause a disaster. No traveller wants any kind of disaster on a plane. At the end of the day, its there for our safety and we all want to reach our destination.
How STUPID they are, I expected from the US but the UK ??? Is the Theresa May administration becoming more and more like the Trump administration after Brexit ?
Mar 21, 2017, 12:32 pm
#204
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"U.S. Airlines not affected" (per CNN)-- despite the fact that the devices go through the same screening in Cairo as, say, EgyptAir. Yeah, this sounds like ........ to drive LUS carrier revenue more than any real security concern.
Mar 21, 2017, 12:39 pm
#205
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"U.S. Airlines not affected" (per CNN)-- despite the fact that the devices go through the same screening in Cairo as, say, EgyptAir. Yeah, this sounds like ........ to drive LUS carrier revenue more than any real security concern.
Mar 21, 2017, 12:41 pm
#206
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Any views how many busines class passengers (who have to carry laptops in hand laggage) would switch from ME3 to other airlines, and thus ME3 carriers would have to slash business class fares in the near future to fill in the cabins?
just thinking about positives if any....
i plan to make a leasure flight to the US next month and dont mind to use J flat beds to sleep on plane rather than clicking laptop buttons ;-)
just thinking about positives if any....
i plan to make a leasure flight to the US next month and dont mind to use J flat beds to sleep on plane rather than clicking laptop buttons ;-)
Mar 21, 2017, 1:15 pm
#207
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Any views how many busines class passengers (who have to carry laptops in hand laggage) would switch from ME3 to other airlines, and thus ME3 carriers would have to slash business class fares in the near future to fill in the cabins?
just thinking about positives if any....
i plan to make a leasure flight to the US next month and dont mind to use J flat beds to sleep on plane rather than clicking laptop buttons ;-)
just thinking about positives if any....
i plan to make a leasure flight to the US next month and dont mind to use J flat beds to sleep on plane rather than clicking laptop buttons ;-)
Mar 21, 2017, 1:19 pm
#208
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Hmm, there's a rabbit off here. I travel through IST regularly and have far more respect for the security there than I do the goons at LHR.
Given that the liquids ban was temporary and certainly going to be lifted in 2012 I think we can expect this to last but quite frankly I would be more concerned about fires in the hold with lithium batteries than some sort of fake device making it aboard.
Given that the liquids ban was temporary and certainly going to be lifted in 2012 I think we can expect this to last but quite frankly I would be more concerned about fires in the hold with lithium batteries than some sort of fake device making it aboard.
Mar 21, 2017, 1:49 pm
#209
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I wonder if you could make a digital camera that creates the power for the next image by mechanical means - like a winding on lever on old cameras?
Mar 21, 2017, 2:01 pm
#210
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Has every one just gone nuts? All this mass hysteria because one wont be able to have an electronic gadget for the duration of a flight.
People look around, talk to some one, welcome to the real world, and put the virtual world to rest while traveling.
People use to travel like this for decades, and the world was just fine. For god sake's people use to sail on ships for months, ride horse back for days, and they still survived.
For me it's a breath of fresh air.
Focus more on getting from point A to point B safely.
People look around, talk to some one, welcome to the real world, and put the virtual world to rest while traveling.
People use to travel like this for decades, and the world was just fine. For god sake's people use to sail on ships for months, ride horse back for days, and they still survived.
For me it's a breath of fresh air.
Focus more on getting from point A to point B safely.
No offense to my fellow travelers, but you're just not that interesting. And to those who are interesting, I often wonder how much of the conversation is truth (most people seem to have far more interesting lives than mine).
Traveling became tolerable for me when I could access the internet and get some work done. I think we're way past two-month ship excursions let alone week-long cattle drives. My breath of fresh air is having a few hours where I can tune the noise out with my QC35s, get caught up on email and finances so when I land, many of the daily distractions are behind me.
Now that smells like fresh air.