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US/UK Electronics bans discussion
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Electronic Devices Banned on Flights to US & UK from 10 ME Countries
Mar 21, 2017, 8:35 pm
#256
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,257
Oh geeze that will go over well. Airlines can't even get pax bags correct, now they are going to be gate checking laptops til arrival?
I can see it now "Excuse me, I didn't have this cheap Lenovo, I had a $3k macbook"
"Sir, there is no macbook left, either it was misplaced or someone else took it, you're going to have to file a claim at the customer service office."
I can see it now "Excuse me, I didn't have this cheap Lenovo, I had a $3k macbook"
"Sir, there is no macbook left, either it was misplaced or someone else took it, you're going to have to file a claim at the customer service office."
Now, let's add another 30 min to deplane time. Worse if you have connecting flights in US e.g., DOH-LAX-SMF?
Cant see this approach work out, though I am sure QR has good intentions.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:42 pm
#257
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: New York, Paris
Programs: AA ExPlat 4MM, AA Life Plat, Lufthansa FT, Delta Basic
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Can't wait until a pax pulls out a laptop/iPad during flight to see the reaction of the crew and the resulting diversion of an A380.
Now, this effort by the US3 to hurt the ME3 could really backfire. ME3 could have a few flights stop in Europe to no longer be direct and the not subject to the electronic ban. You would have DXB-AMS-JFK, DXB-ARN-ORD, DXB-LHR-MIA, etc. With full traffic rights on the EU-US segment. Instead of hurting them, this would create another formidable competitor on the EU-US route. Not sure this is what the US3 wanted.
Now, this effort by the US3 to hurt the ME3 could really backfire. ME3 could have a few flights stop in Europe to no longer be direct and the not subject to the electronic ban. You would have DXB-AMS-JFK, DXB-ARN-ORD, DXB-LHR-MIA, etc. With full traffic rights on the EU-US segment. Instead of hurting them, this would create another formidable competitor on the EU-US route. Not sure this is what the US3 wanted.
But that probably would not pass muster with the pundits who orchestrated this ban (There would still be on those flights transit passengers from the affected areas) and a regulation can be changed at the stroke of a pen to include flights "with stops" from the designated areas.
What is likely to happen, however, is an afflux of fare sales from the US by the ME3. I always found that, maybe in order not to further alienate the US legacy cartel, the ME3 fare sales were not as aggressive as the European sales.
This being said, devising such a clever discrimination against the ME3 is a stroke of genius. As JK Rawling would write, "Evil but Genius".
Mar 21, 2017, 8:54 pm
#258
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: New York, Paris
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Posts: 1,593
I Seriously Doubt that this will become a "World-Wide Here To Stay Forever" Measure (Like Box Cutters being banned Post 9/11), however it may evolve into, "All Carry On Laptops/iPads/Etc. Must Be swabbed at the gate" for flights bound for the US departing from an airport on the "Naughty List." TSA Checkpoints Stateside are good enough to catch EEDs so Don't expect this to apply to domestic flights.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:56 pm
#259
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Beijing
Programs: SK EBG, BAEC Gold
Posts: 935
Lol. I guess this creates some job opportunities on the US soil. So these agents will stand outside right at the jetbridge or after immigration/customs - match the name sticker on your laptop to your boarding pass/passport and hand it back to you?
Now, let's add another 30 min to deplane time. Worse if you have connecting flights in US e.g., DOH-LAX-SMF?
Cant see this approach work out, though I am sure QR has good intentions.
Now, let's add another 30 min to deplane time. Worse if you have connecting flights in US e.g., DOH-LAX-SMF?
Cant see this approach work out, though I am sure QR has good intentions.
In any case I'm certainly glad I made my trip to the US flying on QR last month (PEK-DOH-NYC rtn) ... It certainly adds a layer of complication flying from China, where to my understanding under current CAAC regulations all laptop computers must be carried in carry-on luggage!
Mar 21, 2017, 9:00 pm
#260
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: PHL
Programs: AAdvantage, DL SkyMiles, B6 TrueBlue, Global Entry
Posts: 56
Oh I know they will (PHL is the Mecca of Idiot Airline Employees). But I doubt electronics will be banned on my PHL-LIS flight in June.
Mar 21, 2017, 9:31 pm
#261
Join Date: May 2016
Programs: MP
Posts: 24
Years ago, I had to "check" my backpack and didn't take my laptop out...dumb mistake on my part. When de-boarding the plane, I watched the worker in the luggage compartment drop my backpack to the guy on the ground. The guy on the ground didn't catch my backpack and it slammed to the ground, damaging my laptop. No, the airline didn't cover the damage at all. That was the last time I checked a laptop and it won't happen again if I can avoid it.
I don't trust those countries on the list. I've had plenty of things go missing in my luggage over the years. Expensive electronics will not be the next thing to go missing from my checked luggage.
I don't trust those countries on the list. I've had plenty of things go missing in my luggage over the years. Expensive electronics will not be the next thing to go missing from my checked luggage.
Mar 21, 2017, 9:42 pm
#262
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: SFO
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold, IHG Plat
Posts: 756
+1
But that probably would not pass muster with the pundits who orchestrated this ban (There would still be on those flights transit passengers from the affected areas) and a regulation can be changed at the stroke of a pen to include flights "with stops" from the designated areas.
What is likely to happen, however, is an afflux of fare sales from the US by the ME3. I always found that, maybe in order not to further alienate the US legacy cartel, the ME3 fare sales were not as aggressive as the European sales.
This being said, devising such a clever discrimination against the ME3 is a stroke of genius. As JK Rawling would write, "Evil but Genius".
But that probably would not pass muster with the pundits who orchestrated this ban (There would still be on those flights transit passengers from the affected areas) and a regulation can be changed at the stroke of a pen to include flights "with stops" from the designated areas.
What is likely to happen, however, is an afflux of fare sales from the US by the ME3. I always found that, maybe in order not to further alienate the US legacy cartel, the ME3 fare sales were not as aggressive as the European sales.
This being said, devising such a clever discrimination against the ME3 is a stroke of genius. As JK Rawling would write, "Evil but Genius".
But I do think we will see more aggressive business fare sales this year. At some point, businesses will no longer be able to ignore the hundreds of dollars in savings just to let their employee use a laptop during the flight.
Mar 21, 2017, 9:47 pm
#264
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somewhere in Florida
Posts: 2,622
I wonder how long before making schedule changes to re-route around the affected flights will become "artfully concealing schedule" by DHS.
...which would be plausible...EXCEPT the UK version of the ban also applies to BA.
...which would be plausible...EXCEPT the UK version of the ban also applies to BA.
Mar 21, 2017, 10:13 pm
#265
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: PHL
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Posts: 56
Mar 21, 2017, 10:38 pm
#267
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: DXB/JFK/LHR
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What I don't get is the following:
Why does hiding the problem deep in a case in the hold make it better than having it scanned individually as part of the PAX security check?
Baffled.
Mar 21, 2017, 11:37 pm
#268
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 368
Finally, an article that talks about the real reason behind this ban.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.09d3650c4fdb
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.09d3650c4fdb
Mar 21, 2017, 11:55 pm
#269
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Knoteetingham
Programs: EY Gold, QF WP
Posts: 311
According to Reuters: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa...-idUKKBN16R2JV
Better get an iPhone 7 Plus or hope there's something good on the IFE. Imagine paying all that money for 15-17 hours in F from DXB/AUH/DOH and not even a tablet or a laptop.
Better get an iPhone 7 Plus or hope there's something good on the IFE. Imagine paying all that money for 15-17 hours in F from DXB/AUH/DOH and not even a tablet or a laptop.
Mar 22, 2017, 12:09 am
#270
Join Date: Oct 2006
Programs: Priority Club Platinum, Skywards Gold, BAEC Silver, SAA Voyager
Posts: 246
I can think of MANY occasions at DXB when staff have not bothered to enforce the laptops out and liquids policy. This has gone on for years and regulars through DXB know this.