Executive orders banning entry to US ... [merged threads]
Feb 3, 2017, 3:52 pm
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http://patch.com/massachusetts/bosto...n-airline-says
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Travel-information
Wow. No charter necessary. Looks like there's now a very small opening for anyone with a soon-to-expire visa to try to sneak in before another door closes.
I'm having my brother in law message someone in a case we know of holding a diversity visa that will be forfeited if not used by the end of February that this looks like the moment to buy an immediate walk-up fare to Boston. Those tickets may go fast, I suspect... hopefully the lawyers will be ready at Logan when that flight lands tomorrow.
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Travel-information
Wow. No charter necessary. Looks like there's now a very small opening for anyone with a soon-to-expire visa to try to sneak in before another door closes.
I'm having my brother in law message someone in a case we know of holding a diversity visa that will be forfeited if not used by the end of February that this looks like the moment to buy an immediate walk-up fare to Boston. Those tickets may go fast, I suspect... hopefully the lawyers will be ready at Logan when that flight lands tomorrow.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc..._stay_on_trump
It looks like some people have utilized the Lufthansa policy and the brief period that they had to enter the country under the judge's stay.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-england...412697403.html
Feb 3, 2017, 4:34 pm
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It appears that the judge declined to extend stay on the executive order, meaning that the brief window will be closing on Sunday.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc..._stay_on_trump
It looks like some people have utilized the Lufthansa policy and the brief period that they had to enter the country under the judge's stay.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-england...412697403.html
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc..._stay_on_trump
It looks like some people have utilized the Lufthansa policy and the brief period that they had to enter the country under the judge's stay.
http://www.necn.com/news/new-england...412697403.html
The judge who refused to extend the stay is the same judge who put the stay in earlier? I thought those stays didn't involve Groton (this judge who refused to extend the stay).
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Feb 3, 2017, 5:13 pm
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The Judges who put the TRO in place were the emergency duty judges on duty over the weekend (USDJ Burroughs and USMJ Dein) in the US District Court for the District of Massachusetts. USDJ Gorton is the District Court Judge randomly assigned to the case to hear matters in the usual course; he did not hear the emergency request for the TRO over the weekend but presided over today's hearing and will preside over future matters in the case, should there be any. Presumably there will be contempt hearings.
Feb 3, 2017, 5:23 pm
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I believe that the order issued on Tuesday, January 31, by District Court Judge André Birotte Jr. in Los Angeles is still in effect.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED THAT:
- Defendants and their officers, agents, employees, attorneys, and all persons acting in concert or participating with them, are ENJOINED AND RESTRAINED from enforcing Defendant President Donald J. Trump’s January 27, 2017 Executive Order by removing, detaining, or blocking the entry of Plaintiffs, or any other person from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen with a valid immigrant visa;
- Defendants, and Defendant United States Department of State in particular, are hereby ENJOINED AND RESTRAINED from cancelling validly obtained and issued immigrant visas of Plaintiffs;
- Defendants, and Defendant United States Department of State in particular, are hereby ORDERED to return to Plaintiffs their passports containing validly issued immigrant visas so that Plaintiffs may travel to the United States on said visas; and
- Defendants are hereby ORDERED to IMMEDIATELY inform all relevant airport, airline, and other authorities at Los Angeles International Airport and International Airport in Djibouti that Plaintiffs are permitted to travel to the United States on their valid immigrant visas.
Feb 3, 2017, 5:28 pm
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Most of the visas revoked are provisionally revoked and may end up even reinstated without the visa recipient having to do anything. How long that will take and to what extent is yet to be seen.
Much the same goes for GE and NEXUS members hit by this ban and been subjected to membership revocation (and perhaps more).
For what it's worth, DHS, State and DOJ seem to be moving toward being on the same page, at least in terms of there being some more structure on this matter.
If any federal judge wants to find someone in contempt, there are ways to find out how the orders were being communicated and work from that.
There are a lot of games being played on this matter.
Much the same goes for GE and NEXUS members hit by this ban and been subjected to membership revocation (and perhaps more).
For what it's worth, DHS, State and DOJ seem to be moving toward being on the same page, at least in terms of there being some more structure on this matter.
If any federal judge wants to find someone in contempt, there are ways to find out how the orders were being communicated and work from that.
There are a lot of games being played on this matter.
Feb 3, 2017, 9:53 pm
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The injunction issued late Friday will have an immediate effect in lifting the ban. See bolded text below.
Federal Judge Blocks Trump ‘Foreign Terrorist Entry’ Executive Order, Administration Plans to Appeal
The administration has vowed to fight the order however.
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Federal Judge Blocks Trump ‘Foreign Terrorist Entry’ Executive Order, Administration Plans to Appeal
NEW YORK—A federal judge in Seattle issued an injunction temporarily blocking President Donald Trump’s immigration ban late Friday. The ruling has bars the government from enforcing two parts of the “Foreign Terrorist Entry” executive order that banned citizens from seven countries – Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen – from entering the country and limited the flow of refugees.
The ruling resulted in an immediate change in U.S. policy. Customs and Border Protection told airlines they could now allow passengers affected by the ban to travel to the United States....
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The ruling resulted in an immediate change in U.S. policy. Customs and Border Protection told airlines they could now allow passengers affected by the ban to travel to the United States....
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Feb 3, 2017, 10:51 pm
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Reports are starting to come out claiming that CBP is informing airlines of "business as usual", i.e., return to pre-EO procedures and rules.
Reports are starting to come out claiming that CBP is informing airlines of "business as usual", i.e., return to pre-EO procedures and rules.
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Feb 3, 2017, 11:50 pm
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It might make sense for those most directly hit by the EO to get to a US landport of entry as soon as possible and get into the country before things may change again or to otherwise get around the do not board orders that may still be hitting this Saturday morning in Europe for passengers booked to fly from Europe to the US.
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Feb 4, 2017, 3:44 am
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It might make sense for those most directly hit by the EO to get to a US landport of entry as soon as possible and get into the country before things may change again or to otherwise get around the do not board orders that may still be hitting this Saturday morning in Europe for passengers booked to fly from Europe to the US.
Feb 4, 2017, 5:49 am
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Major news sources now are reporting that airlines have been told to allow boarding of passengers who would have been affected, and that those passengers will be allowed to enter the US. Administration says they'll appeal the stay, but it appears this one is actually sticking rather than having CBP + Marshals ordered to disobey it.
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Feb 4, 2017, 10:06 am
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The issue is going to be that unless they got all the provisionally revoked visas reinstated late on a Friday night or very early Saturday, they may have already denied authorization to travel to enter the US to some people today (on Saturday). This may not have been the Exec agencies/departments' short term intention, but the practical needs to get back to the pre-Trump EO status doesn't exactly do the visa reinstatement all by itself.
Airlines Again Board Travelers Barred By Travel Order, As Trump Vows To Fight
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Meanwhile, a State Department spokesperson tells NPR that officials with the department are also adhering to the decision. The department has provisionally revoked somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 individuals' visas, according to different accounts; under Saturday's announcement, the State Department says that move has been reversed — and that "individuals with visas that were not physically cancelled may now travel if the visa is otherwise valid."
Feb 4, 2017, 1:30 pm
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SAS and Norwegian said they can't ignore those notices and thus on Saturday were still referring people to deal with the US Embassies because those notices were popping up this (Saturday) morning and even later in Europe.
The DOJ is working on putting together an appeal right now and that means the window to enter may be limited. My advice for the EO-impacted is to use the window to get back into the US ASAP unless ok with potentially being denied entry/travel later. And pick your carriers well, for not everyone is doing what LH, AF and QR are doing for those who have US visas but were getting those notices today (Saturday) presumably on the basis of the EO.
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Feb 4, 2017, 2:09 pm
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Will DHS reinstate GE and NEXUS memberships for persons whose GE and/or NEXUS membership was revoked due to or following this EO?
Feb 4, 2017, 3:25 pm
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At what time (local D.C. time) on Saturday did State and DHS get to work and fully reverse the so-called provisional revocation of all the visas revoked under this EO? Today were the airlines boarding all booked flights' people with an unexpired US visa and ignoring all/many "do not board" notices from the US?
CBP spoke with U.S. airlines on a conference call Friday, informing them that after the federal judge's ruling that it was "back to business as usual."