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petaluma1 Nov 6, 2015 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 25674694)
Do you even know what the OP is talking about? Doesn't seem like it.

Somebody seems to like bashing others who have or have had issues with TSA.

BSBD Nov 6, 2015 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 25674710)
Somebody seems to like bashing others who have or have had issues with TSA.

ou81two is asking a person who got SSSSed why she got a second screening. :confused:

That implies ou81two does not understand even the basics of what was discussed.

petaluma1 Nov 6, 2015 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 25674819)
ou81two is asking a person who got SSSSed why she got a second screening. :confused:

That implies ou81two does not understand even the basics of what was discussed.

I don't think it matters to this person. He/she feels OP should have just accepted the treatment meted out by the TSA and probably that the OP must have done something to get the SSSS.

lonelycrowd Nov 6, 2015 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 25656581)
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I have zero memory of what was on my BP or even when they actually handed it to me. Whether or not it actually had SSSS on it or not, there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it was SSSS. It actually makes more sense to handle it this way - ie, don't even let the pax check-in before pulling them aside. There has been speculation that a bad guy in the US seeing SSSS on his BP would obviously change his plans. It really never did make sense to tip a potential bad guy off this way.

This was MAD. US carrier. I had recently traveled to IST.

That's an interesting data point - so you were directly watched between the first check in encounter and clearing the first checkpoint? My first encounter with the Immigration Advisory Program was in Madrid - though I didn't know it was CBP at the time, the guy identified himself as a "representative of the embassy" or something and ID'd himself by showing his brown official US passport. They did not escort me to the checkpoint nor were there any check in questions at all. Wasn't intercepted by IAP until I tried to walk down the Premier Access carpet at the gate.

Learned via FOIA over a year later that the IAP officer was extremely displeased with my level of cooperation. He recommended a far harsher reception at EWR than I actually received, including a full electronic media search that never happened and a check of my "pocket trash" (credit card numbers? buy 10 coffees get one free cards?). It was also interesting to read that IAP was definitely cooperating with the Guardia Civil there and some answers given to a sworn Spanish LEO who intimidated me and directly threatened to deny boarding after IAP had already backed off (definitely not a ICTS contractor) made it into CBP's incident report.

I remember that the whole MAD process felt like it was designed to intimidate, and seemed a lot more serious than any other European airport I've had to transit through. Based on what you've described, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some on-the-ground American involvement in your incident - you might even have an incident report on file with CBP. I think you're not the only one to report aggressive treatment at MAD on this forum; they're definitely in a whole other league when it comes to the SSSS BS.

Cargojon Nov 9, 2015 10:37 am


Originally Posted by KL714 (Post 25597154)
For some reason I got SSSS'ed twice (with PreCheck) this year on two itineraries originating from Europe on UA (departing from AMS and BRU respectively) and was taken to a separate area near the gate at both airports where I got a very thorough questioning and patdown and had my bag emptied. I asked and they confirmed it was because of quadruple S on my boarding pass on both occasions (they basically told me 'sorry, United did it' when I asked them why I had it) . Only got it on the AMS/BRU to US segments, not on my onward flights.. While it wasn't nearly as bad as what the OP experienced, it does have a meaning in Europe from what I experienced.

Same happened to me in ZRH on UA flight about 2 weeks ago. My very first "SSSS". Of course I had changed the ticket at the last minute due to a death in the family. I have GE/PC also.

nmh1204 Nov 17, 2015 11:51 am

any updates on this?

maniac78 Nov 20, 2015 1:04 pm

OP died as a result of the humiliation. RIP OP.

LeslieJam Dec 22, 2015 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by maniac78 (Post 25747061)
OP died as a result of the humiliation. RIP OP.

Sorry for the delay, life got in the way as it often does. I did receive a final 'response' from TSA, and honestly it was completely unsatisfactory, as their position remains that what I experienced was SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). My Congressman received an email from them, indicating that what I experienced was truly normal, and that something had shown up in my carry on, which of course has nothing to do with the SSSS notation.They indicated that Delta paid for the hotel (untrue) and essentially indicated that this is how things work, and I should just deal with.

Of course I find that completely unacceptable, but I suppose that is where we are-government run amuck and sadly I think that is how things work now. Not happy just stating my own opinion.

LeslieJam Dec 22, 2015 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by ou81two (Post 25673994)
Not flying. I've been through that screening probably 200 times by now. Are you sure it's not your emotions getting the better of you? Why did you get a second screening exactly?

No emotions however I have to say that as my body was being fondled and hands went down my pants I was not happy and I suspect I am not alone. Before you judge, put yourself in my shoes-it happened and I have no idea why the second patdown.

LeslieJam Jan 6, 2016 10:38 am

Another TSA search
 
http://www.today.com/news/dad-upset-...10-year-t65416

I am not a 10 year old girl, but I am as much of a threat as she is. The story indicated that TSA said this was SOP. No surprise at all and as much of an outrage.


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