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LeslieJam Oct 21, 2015 10:24 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 25596180)
TSA performed a cavity search on you? At JFK?

Yup through clothing both front and back.

DeafBlonde Oct 21, 2015 10:47 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 25596163)
"... please provide a photo of yourself...." ...?

"...in lieu of coming to our headquarters for a 'line up'..." ...?

Kate2015 Oct 21, 2015 11:00 am


Originally Posted by LeslieJam (Post 25596100)
It is not TSA's intention to make passengers feel uncomfortable or violated while going through the screening procedure.

Except that's exactly their intent. Humiliation to force compliance.

petaluma1 Oct 21, 2015 11:17 am


Originally Posted by Kate2015 (Post 25596390)
Except that's exactly their intent. Humiliation to force compliance.

^^

LeslieJam Oct 21, 2015 11:18 am


Originally Posted by Kate2015 (Post 25596390)
Except that's exactly their intent. Humiliation to force compliance.

Pretty sure the 3 lovely (?) ladies who examined me on Saturday really wanted to humiliate me.

Boggie Dog Oct 21, 2015 11:25 am


Originally Posted by Kate2015 (Post 25596074)
Hey, I think implied consent is a ridiculous concept to begin with. I was just sayin'....

Not challenging you just pointing out the obvious problems with Implied Consent and the way TSA wants to twist that into unrecognizable shapes.

The bigger problem with TSA and their screening is that there is no printed material that lists exactly what TSA will or can do to a person. How do you give consent under those conditions.

TSA is a throwback to the late 1930's.

LeslieJam Oct 21, 2015 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 25596506)
Not challenging you just pointing out the obvious problems with Implied Consent and the way TSA wants to twist that into unrecognizable shapes.

The bigger problem with TSA and their screening is that there is no printed material that lists exactly what TSA will or can do to a person. How do you give consent under those conditions.

TSA is a throwback to the late 1930's.

I would agree with your statement and say that they are very much representative of a police state.

KL714 Oct 21, 2015 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by weero (Post 25594724)
On US territory or US outposts absolutely. It's meaningless in Europe.

For some reason I got SSSS'ed twice (with PreCheck) this year on two itineraries originating from Europe on UA (departing from AMS and BRU respectively) and was taken to a separate area near the gate at both airports where I got a very thorough questioning and patdown and had my bag emptied. I asked and they confirmed it was because of quadruple S on my boarding pass on both occasions (they basically told me 'sorry, United did it' when I asked them why I had it) . Only got it on the AMS/BRU to US segments, not on my onward flights.. While it wasn't nearly as bad as what the OP experienced, it does have a meaning in Europe from what I experienced.

BSBD Oct 21, 2015 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by weero (Post 25594724)

So? There's no agency that would know what to do with the Schutzstaffel squared label.

I don't know about "agencies," but I do know that European airport security and airlines that fly to the US know exactly what SSSS is, and what they are supposed to do about it. The fact that you don't know about it is meaningless.


'You' may have to do that.
And you too, if you want to fly to the US, and you are chosen for Secondary Security Screening Selection.


Those European countries are sovereign. They apply some measures that they negotiated with foreign affairs but they do certainly not comply with or implement TSA policies and routine.
Irrelevant. Has nothing to do with sovereignty - if an airline wants to fly into a US port, it must agree to follow US rules for doing so. This includes enforcing US security mandates such as providing passenger manifests, ensuring that carry-on rules are followed, and providing appropriate security - such as secondary screening when a passenger is selected for it.

nrr Oct 21, 2015 6:49 pm


Originally Posted by weero (Post 25591172)
FROM Western Europe??? There's no TSA in Europe, how could that be?

On many flts. from Europe to the USA, DHS requires (via SSSS on bp) random pax be subject to EXTRA screening.
I'm in TSA pre-check (my bps, even from Europe to USA show TSA PRE CHECK), once I got SSSS (ZURICH TO JFK). I was sent to a special area near the gate; the agent had a p/o of 15 (or so) names who got SSSS and was given special screening...a few pokes inside my carry-on and was wanded.

yandosan Oct 22, 2015 3:40 am

TSA is a throwback to the late 1930's.
----I would agree with your statement and say that they are very much representative of a police state.

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If you're talking about the Gestapo, as evil as they were, at least they were efficient.
TSA on the other hand is an exercise in futility. I always laugh out loud at the
videos of Kokesh asking TSA dimwits a simple question that always trips them up--
how many terrorists has TSA caught to date?

LeslieJam Oct 22, 2015 7:24 am


Originally Posted by yandosan (Post 25599667)
TSA is a throwback to the late 1930's.
----I would agree with your statement and say that they are very much representative of a police state.

-----------------------------
If you're talking about the Gestapo, as evil as they were, at least they were efficient.
TSA on the other hand is an exercise in futility. I always laugh out loud at the
videos of Kokesh asking TSA dimwits a simple question that always trips them up--

how many terrorists has TSA caught to date?

I believe that answer is ZERO

Boggie Dog Oct 22, 2015 7:28 am


Originally Posted by yandosan (Post 25599667)
TSA is a throwback to the late 1930's.
----I would agree with your statement and say that they are very much representative of a police state.

-----------------------------
If you're talking about the Gestapo, as evil as they were, at least they were efficient.
TSA on the other hand is an exercise in futility. I always laugh out loud at the
videos of Kokesh asking TSA dimwits a simple question that always trips them up--
how many terrorists has TSA caught to date?

I'm talking about the general militarization of the world during those times. Uniforms were the order of the day, people watching people, neighbors reporting neighbors, and of course the more horrid things that took place.

TSA is just a symptom of a much larger problem.

LeslieJam Oct 22, 2015 7:33 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 25600247)
I'm talking about the general militarization of the world during those times. Uniforms were the order of the day, people watching people, neighbors reporting neighbors, and of course the more horrid things that took place.

TSA is just a symptom of a much larger problem.

As a taxpaying American I hate thinking about the amount of money we are paying for their disorganized, no security/security playacting.

DaveBlaine Oct 22, 2015 7:46 am


Originally Posted by LeslieJam (Post 25600269)
As a taxpaying American I hate thinking about the amount of money we are paying for their disorganized, no security/security playacting.

I prefer the term "Security Theater" (or Security Theatre if you're so inclined).


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