DEN TSA rigs WBI in order to grope male genitals
#31
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No single TSA employee can ever be a trusted public servant from this day forward.
TSA has lost all claims of public trust!
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#33
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The firing was quite a while ago. How it just got out to the news is not known. If you are needing to be screened in private screening and you refuse to go, it brings up a whole new set of issues. One is that you would be interfering with the screening process by being uncooperative. Two you would not be allowed to continue to the gate, three you would be referred to local law enforcement.
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The firing was quite a while ago. How it just got out to the news is not known. If you are needing to be screened in private screening and you refuse to go, it brings up a whole new set of issues. One is that you would be interfering with the screening process by being uncooperative. Two you would not be allowed to continue to the gate, three you would be referred to local law enforcement.
What are you TSA people doing that has to be hidden from the public?
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As to jurisdiction, AFAIK there aren't Federal laws which apply, so the local/state DA would be the one to file charges or not.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
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As to jurisdiction, AFAIK there aren't Federal laws which apply, so the local/state DA would be the one to file charges or not.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
I suggest that the area comprising the TSA Checkpoints is a federsl reservation and falls under federal jurisdiction.
Eyecue has indicated that enhanced screenings must be conducted in private.
This incident certainly looks like a case of TSA trying to hide yet another problem in TSA from the public. I don't know how this made it to the public but am thankful that it did.
We now have one more reason to not trust TSA.
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As to jurisdiction, AFAIK there aren't Federal laws which apply, so the local/state DA would be the one to file charges or not.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
Are screening in private rooms required? I.e., can the victim allow for / give permission for the screening in public? If the private room is required, this opens up potential for a lot of other abuses.
The TSA does not allow these searches in public; no matter what. They are ashamed of what they do. And I am ashamed of the lawmakers who allow this to continue.
#39
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Do not ever, ever accept a private search from the TSA unless you're up for an assault. Demand they do the search in public and make sure you have lots of witnesses. Yes, it might be a bit embarrassing for you but it beats having to live with an assault. Some of these people are sick. I will never forget what was done to me.
And yes. I did report it to every agency in writing and anyone who would listen. LAX Terminal One. I was completely cooperative and had no idea I would touched so inappropriately. and yes, I do know the difference. I travel often and had been searched before. This was not s search, it was an assault.
And yes. I did report it to every agency in writing and anyone who would listen. LAX Terminal One. I was completely cooperative and had no idea I would touched so inappropriately. and yes, I do know the difference. I travel often and had been searched before. This was not s search, it was an assault.
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Seems rather discriminatory to make screening results a product of TSA-assigned sex/gender assignment. All this is another good reason to scrap these strip search machines at airports. Instead they should apply PreCheck LLL type screening to passengers in the main and do so without the strip search machines.
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Women can complain all they want, but the fact is, the quickest way to get a lot of powerful men outraged is when they realize that another guy could be trying to fondle their junk.
It's sad that bigotry is likely the cause, but I have high hopes that if any set of circumstances could lead to prosecution, this might be it.
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#43
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The firing was quite a while ago. How it just got out to the news is not known. If you are needing to be screened in private screening and you refuse to go, it brings up a whole new set of issues. One is that you would be interfering with the screening process by being uncooperative. Two you would not be allowed to continue to the gate, three you would be referred to local law enforcement.
We have read here of someone who refused and did receive a fine for "interfering with the screening process." http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23344306-post1.html
She "Got the "$11,000 fine but we're letting you off with a warning letter."
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...e-tsa-fun.html
*One could infer that the immediate reduction in the amount of the fine was because the TSA knew it couldn't claim "interfering with the screening process" because the passenger agreed to be screened but insisted it be done in public.
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I've twice had the experience of being "invited" to a private screening for secondary inspection. Both times, I insisted that the screening be done in public. Both times, TSA refused, In one case, the STSO took my stuff away with him to the room while I was still standing at the Xray machine; essentially stealing my items.
The TSA does not allow these searches in public; no matter what. They are ashamed of what they do. And I am ashamed of the lawmakers who allow this to continue.
The TSA does not allow these searches in public; no matter what. They are ashamed of what they do. And I am ashamed of the lawmakers who allow this to continue.
Was law enforcement called and did you get charged and fined for not cooperating?
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