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Old Aug 14, 2014, 10:54 am
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The local new station which covered the story said that she sneaked past both TSA security checkpoint as well as Southwest gate agent when they were "busy" assisting a family. But its quite surprising as I have traveled through SJC a lot of times and there are lots of TSA agents all the time. So no-one noticed here sneaking past through TSA checkpoint is the first surprising thing. But at gate, if a single agent is too busy its not that difficult to get onto jet-bridge if you really want to do something like this.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 2:58 pm
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Saw a clip of her sentencing and have to say she looked rather calm even after the judge sentenced her. They didn't spend that much time on the news clip nor was the camera on her face for long but she just seemed to stand there without emotion. Judge basically said the police have better and more important things to do than keep her out of airports so thus the 177 days. Like I said, we haven't probably seen the last of this lady. Heck she'll probably behave in jail and get freed earlier. A nuisance for sure but not exactly your typical hardened criminal.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Randyk47
Anybody want to take a bet she'll be back at the airport right after she gets out? Despite the comments and contention from officials that she's mentally sound I have my doubts.
No, she won't. If she keep coming back at airport property again. She will be arrested again. It's very serious. She ordered to stay away from airport property for life. If she don't change her behavior.

Originally Posted by Karelia
If she's so good at sneaking into places, perhaps she can sneak out of jail?
Yes, she's always sneaking into the concourse for too many times. She have to stop. She won't be sneak out of jail. She won't escaped from county jail.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
No, she won't. If she keep coming back at airport property again. She will be arrested again. It's very serious. She ordered to stay away from airport property for life. If she don't change her behavior.



Yes, she's always sneaking into the concourse for too many times. She have to stop. She won't be sneak out of jail. She won't escaped from county jail.
didn't realize judges can impose lifetime bans...

what will happen if she buys a ticket and fly from, say, SFO to LAX? will she still be arrested upon landing at LAX? (after she serves the 6 months and leaves jail, of course)
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by Karelia
didn't realize judges can impose lifetime bans...

what will happen if she buys a ticket and fly from, say, SFO to LAX? will she still be arrested upon landing at LAX? (after she serves the 6 months and leaves jail, of course)
I figure the ban is only good as long as she's in jail. She has a history of this behavior and over time the more restrictions they've placed on her the more she's tried and has found ways around the restrictions or just plain ignored them. Interestingly I've not seen any comments or interviews with or from her in terms of why she's been so obsessed. If she has some kind of agenda to prove some point then she's been pretty quiet about it. Obviously the hope is that six months in jail will get her attention and she'll change her behavior so we'll see.

UPDATE: I did find a short interview with her and she supposedly expressed regret. "It was clearly wrong on my part. It was stupid and it is something I don't want to repeat." Of course she's been arrested some three to six times, different articles report a different number of arrests or maybe detentions, before for trying to get on a flight or through security without a ticket.

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Old Aug 15, 2014, 6:18 am
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Originally Posted by Randyk47
If she has some kind of agenda to prove some point then she's been pretty quiet about it. Obviously the hope is that six months in jail will get her attention and she'll change her behavior so we'll see.
Precisely as you say I think that if she were doing this to expose weaknesses in security practices or something like that, she'd've spoken out by now. I think she's probably just not a well woman, and I hope she might have some access to therapy or something. Otherwise, if she's really sick, her obsession may not go away, and those six months in jail might well be wasted.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 1:18 pm
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It doesn't surprise me that she easily slipped past the SJC TSA checkpoint.

I typically 'opt out', which always seems to come with a mandatory few minutes "time out" even if there is someone available to pat me down. My personal limit is 5 minutes. That might seem short, but try standing around doing nothing for a timed five minutes -- it's long enough to be tedious. Once at SJC, after well over five minutes of being ignored, I decided that perhaps they really didn't intend to pat me down. In a little extra flurry of chaos, I strolled over, picked up my bag and shoes, and went on to my gate.

So it doesn't surprise me at all that an observant person with intent, especially one that blends into the background, could quickly figure out a way to bypass both the security checkpoint and gate check-in.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by eastport
It doesn't surprise me that she easily slipped past the SJC TSA checkpoint.

I typically 'opt out', which always seems to come with a mandatory few minutes "time out" even if there is someone available to pat me down. My personal limit is 5 minutes. That might seem short, but try standing around doing nothing for a timed five minutes -- it's long enough to be tedious. Once at SJC, after well over five minutes of being ignored, I decided that perhaps they really didn't intend to pat me down. In a little extra flurry of chaos, I strolled over, picked up my bag and shoes, and went on to my gate.

So it doesn't surprise me at all that an observant person with intent, especially one that blends into the background, could quickly figure out a way to bypass both the security checkpoint and gate check-in.
that's my experience as well...(at two different airports) I was one of 3 people standing around waiting to be patted down. We stood there for over 10 minutes like idiots. One guy had enough and walked to the other side, picked up his bag and walked off. The funny thing was that a different TSA agent just said "have a nice flight" and waved him... I continued to stand there because I was stupid. A few minutes later, the original TSA guy who told us to stand there came to us and started the pat down. He said "weren't there three of you here?" I just said nothing.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 4:34 pm
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I don't think the reports said she bypassed the physical screening. She just bypassed the document/boarding pass check where even if you have no ID and require extra screening, you must still present a valid boarding pass.
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Old Aug 17, 2014, 7:25 pm
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I noticed that she was released early due to overcrowding (http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/...e-due-o/ng4Q8/)
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Old Aug 17, 2014, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by dkywin
I noticed that she was released early due to overcrowding (http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/...e-due-o/ng4Q8/)
I believe that's called "overbooking".
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Old Aug 17, 2014, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
I believe that's called "overbooking".
It's important to know whether she'll receive compensation.

Kidding aside, if she wasn't being given some kind of help in prison, I suppose it's just as well. She was unlikely to change, I think, except with assistance of the kind that I understand can sometimes be difficult to find in the US penal system.
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Old Aug 17, 2014, 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
I believe that's called "overbooking".
No, actually, it's called overcrowding. This means if the jail is full. There is no room for her. She didn't go to the cell block or anywhere else. She can't stay in jail for any much longer. As long if she behaved and she had to stay away from airports. She won't go to airports anymore.
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Old Aug 18, 2014, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
No, actually, it's called overcrowding. This means if the jail is full. There is no room for her. She didn't go to the cell block or anywhere else. She can't stay in jail for any much longer. As long if she behaved and she had to stay away from airports. She won't go to airports anymore.
That's what I call justice, LA style.
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Old Aug 18, 2014, 11:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Randyk47
I figure the ban is only good as long as she's in jail.
Slight correction, as long as she is on probation.
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