Terminal Dump at MAF after US Soldier attempts to bring bomb thru TSA checkpoint
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Terminal Dump at MAF after US Soldier attempts to bring bomb thru TSA checkpoint
Here's the link to articles:
Houston Chronicle:
Associated Press article: Soldier tries to take bombs on plane in Midland
Updated 03:15 p.m., Saturday, December 31, 2011
and
Odessa American:
2:27 p.m.: Explosives found at airport, military man in custody
December 31, 2011 10:38 AM
A short quote from the second article:
and
I used the word "bomb" in the subject line because that is the word that the AP and/or Houston Chronicle used.
Houston Chronicle:
Associated Press article: Soldier tries to take bombs on plane in Midland
Updated 03:15 p.m., Saturday, December 31, 2011
and
Odessa American:
2:27 p.m.: Explosives found at airport, military man in custody
December 31, 2011 10:38 AM
A short quote from the second article:
Midland International Airport was evacuated for about an hour Saturday morning after Transportation Security Administration officials found military-grade explosives in a serviceman’s carry-on bag.
The suspect has identified himself to investigating officials as active military and was in the Permian Basin to visit his family, Rackow said. The suspect and his family were on their way back to his base in North Carolina and he has been cooperative with FBI investigators, who were in charge of the case, Rackow said.
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A bomb, or explosive material?
It probably doesn't matter to the aiuthorities, but there is a big difference.
Two major questions, however.
1. If they caught the material before he made it through security, why was it necessary to close the terminal and do a search?
2. Did he transport the material on his original flight fr0m North Carolina?
It probably doesn't matter to the aiuthorities, but there is a big difference.
Two major questions, however.
1. If they caught the material before he made it through security, why was it necessary to close the terminal and do a search?
2. Did he transport the material on his original flight fr0m North Carolina?
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Now with that being said, if it happened as described, the pax is a moron
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Wasn't he allowed to fly? Lucky that he didn't get arrested for that. he was cooperative with FBI while they were investigation during this incident.
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Sounded like high-grade military stuff (C4's ??) but likely just tiny amount (based on photos of disposal container used to transport) in wraps, enough to cause major damage if set off at 30,000 ft. - otherwise, they would've establish a 30 ft. safety zone but did a terminal dumb instead, having everyone go across the parking lot, as far as they could or whatever
TSA blogger finally got something pretty good to brag about - sadly, it might just be a poor choice of wartime souvenir from our trusted solider, which - some believed should be exempt from screening, hmmm.
TSA blogger finally got something pretty good to brag about - sadly, it might just be a poor choice of wartime souvenir from our trusted solider, which - some believed should be exempt from screening, hmmm.
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I'm not aware of any laws/proposals that say military should be exempt from screening; I have only seen some fast track like proposals (shoes on, jacket on), much like the trusted traveller tests.
Could you provide some links, I'd love to get up-to-date on those as I am out-of-the-loop with my travels the last three weeks
Happy New Year.
Could you provide some links, I'd love to get up-to-date on those as I am out-of-the-loop with my travels the last three weeks
Happy New Year.
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I'm not aware of any laws/proposals that say military should be exempt from screening; I have only seen some fast track like proposals (shoes on, jacket on), much like the trusted traveller tests.
Could you provide some links, I'd love to get up-to-date on those as I am out-of-the-loop with my travels the last three weeks
Happy New Year.
Could you provide some links, I'd love to get up-to-date on those as I am out-of-the-loop with my travels the last three weeks
Happy New Year.
And currently, TSA is only testing an ID reader for military at 1 or 2 airports (cant remember exactly how many and where), but nothing is in the works to have them exempt either.
With that said, I agree with the law proposed by Congress, and hope Obama signs it.
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Yes, he in the uniform and yes, he is in military. I don't blame him and he didn't have to carry his explosives at all. He didn't have any his suspicious package.
Wasn't he allowed to fly? Lucky that he didn't get arrested for that. he was cooperative with FBI while they were investigation during this incident.
Wasn't he allowed to fly? Lucky that he didn't get arrested for that. he was cooperative with FBI while they were investigation during this incident.
However, I suspect this was not related to terrorism (could be wrong). And if not, most likely all the years this man spent in the military are now down the drain. No retirement/pension if he is discharged because of this. No medical benefits former military personal currently enjoy. All those years of service wasted, and all to most likely keep what he more than likely considered a "parting gift", a souvenir, from his time in service.
And once out of the military, to part in such a way, what type of job will he be able to get with this on his record? At least being sent to jail will put a roof over his head and feed him and provide medical care. Seriously. This guys life is ruined.
But in a sense what he did is not that uncommon, just more extreme, I would say. More than a few times I have found military who have taken ammo with them as a souvenir, a gift to themselves. A little ammo is not really a big thing to steal. Wrong, certainly. But this is something altogether different.
So, yeah, he better be cooperating with the FBI. I'm sure he is hoping that they don't throw the book at him, so to speak.
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As to question 1, see my post just above.
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USA Today.com also picked up the AP story.
I find myself in the unenviable position of agreeing with SATTSO. Based on the limited amount of info in these stories, I think this is probably a case of a soldier trying to take home a little souvenir of his service in the form of explosive materials, and being too dumb to know that the checkpoint would probably discover them.
Of course, I feel obligated to point out that the AIT didn't discover the explosives, nor did an invasive rubdown, nor did even the ETD swabs (which I support as a primary search methodology) - it was initially detected by the carry-on x-ray scanner and subsequently identified by visual inspection. This part of the system, it seems, not only works exactly the way it's supposed to, but also seems to have done the job that $1.4 billion worth of AIT is supposed to do (and thus far hasn't).
Fortunately, this guy probably posed no threat to the aircraft and was simply trying to smuggle something prohibited home with him. It is possible that the guy truly did intend to blow something up and simply hadn't attached the detonating equipment to the explosives yet. It's also possible that he wasn't carrying explosives at all, but was carrying something else wrapped in used explosives wrappers. However, nothing is conclusive as yet, so I'll withhold judgment on whether this a Good Catch or the first truly Big Catch.
No matter what actually happened, I think the guy was obviously an idiot, because trying to bring explosives wrappers onto a plane with him, no matter what was inside the wrappers and no matter what he intended to do with the wrappers and their contents, was just plain, old-fashioned stupidity.
This is one of the few incidents where TSA seems to have done their job correctly.
That's one. Only about 700,999,999 to go for 2012 to be a banner year for TSA.
I find myself in the unenviable position of agreeing with SATTSO. Based on the limited amount of info in these stories, I think this is probably a case of a soldier trying to take home a little souvenir of his service in the form of explosive materials, and being too dumb to know that the checkpoint would probably discover them.
Of course, I feel obligated to point out that the AIT didn't discover the explosives, nor did an invasive rubdown, nor did even the ETD swabs (which I support as a primary search methodology) - it was initially detected by the carry-on x-ray scanner and subsequently identified by visual inspection. This part of the system, it seems, not only works exactly the way it's supposed to, but also seems to have done the job that $1.4 billion worth of AIT is supposed to do (and thus far hasn't).
Fortunately, this guy probably posed no threat to the aircraft and was simply trying to smuggle something prohibited home with him. It is possible that the guy truly did intend to blow something up and simply hadn't attached the detonating equipment to the explosives yet. It's also possible that he wasn't carrying explosives at all, but was carrying something else wrapped in used explosives wrappers. However, nothing is conclusive as yet, so I'll withhold judgment on whether this a Good Catch or the first truly Big Catch.
No matter what actually happened, I think the guy was obviously an idiot, because trying to bring explosives wrappers onto a plane with him, no matter what was inside the wrappers and no matter what he intended to do with the wrappers and their contents, was just plain, old-fashioned stupidity.
This is one of the few incidents where TSA seems to have done their job correctly.
That's one. Only about 700,999,999 to go for 2012 to be a banner year for TSA.
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A bomb, or explosive material?
It probably doesn't matter to the aiuthorities, but there is a big difference.
Two major questions, however.
1. If they caught the material before he made it through security, why was it necessary to close the terminal and do a search?
2. Did he transport the material on his original flight fr0m North Carolina?
It probably doesn't matter to the aiuthorities, but there is a big difference.
Two major questions, however.
1. If they caught the material before he made it through security, why was it necessary to close the terminal and do a search?
2. Did he transport the material on his original flight fr0m North Carolina?
2. That's a scary thought; it would mean that TSA in his origin airport completely failed to detect the explosives. On the other hand, he could have originally traveled by other means, such as bus, car, train, or MAC.
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I think being arrested is one of his smaller worries. I am sure that right now every part of his life is being investigated and looked at - he basically has no private life as of now. The FBI will be looking for any ties he might have to possible terrorist groups.
However, I suspect this was not related to terrorism (could be wrong). And if not, most likely all the years this man spent in the military are now down the drain. No retirement/pension if he is discharged because of this. No medical benefits former military personal currently enjoy. All those years of service wasted, and all to most likely keep what he more than likely considered a "parting gift", a souvenir, from his time in service.
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However, I suspect this was not related to terrorism (could be wrong). And if not, most likely all the years this man spent in the military are now down the drain. No retirement/pension if he is discharged because of this. No medical benefits former military personal currently enjoy. All those years of service wasted, and all to most likely keep what he more than likely considered a "parting gift", a souvenir, from his time in service.
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If he worked for the TSA the press release would tell us that he would simply be "retrained"