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Originally Posted by PresRDC
(Post 16954928)
Another stupid TSA scheme.
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Originally Posted by 14940674
(Post 16954259)
In Tel Aviv the security agents handle passengers with grace and respect,
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Originally Posted by 14940674
(Post 16954355)
The TSA is only using college educated agents for this assignment, which should help on that front.
Also I think you misjudge the El Al approach. It is much more centered on training and skill than profiling. They would not have their perfect security record just by hassling every Arab passenger flying on El Al. |
Originally Posted by vvortex1
(Post 16954745)
Several years ago, my boarding passes used to get flagged for secondary screening frequently, and they'd ask questions along these lines. It is intrusive, but unless the tactic has changed, they're less interested in the answers than in how you act. It's fine to say that the purpose of your trip was "to visit family," or "to go to a conference" and unlike Immigration, they probably won't inquire any further, provided that you don't act nervous or cause a problem.
Seen any good movies lately? How 'bout this weather? I love dogs. Do you? or even What's your favorite airline? I wouldn't mind answering these questions. I have absolutely no intention of telling a government agent anything as personal as what I do for a living, why I'm traveling, etc. |
Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 16954798)
"Am I required to answer these questions before I am allowed to fly because, frankly, the answers are none of your da*n business..."
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Originally Posted by Always Flyin
(Post 16954798)
"Am I required to answer these questions before I am allowed to fly because, frankly, the answers are none of your da*n business..."
"For my own safety, I don't give personal information to strangers." "Company policy bars me from discussing details of our business travel." |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 16955027)
Which is why it will fail here. The people in Israel who do this are trained and experienced intelligence professionals. The people in the U.S. who do this are "college-educated" clerks who couldn't find a better job than working for TSA.
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Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 16954866)
Those guys are a little different from TSA guys. Here we have guys who have never seen the word "Lufthansa" before and find it suspicious, or will ask you if Zurich is a place in the USA.
I actually have no problem with the AMS gate talks because I feel the inquisitor is intelligent and guided by a well-designed program... I personally know TSA airport agents that have never been on an airplane in their life. And these people are supposed to make judgements about where or why I fly? As long as TSA insists on hiring people that think going to Disney World once when they were in elementary school constitutes having "traveled" before, I will be more than a little skeptical of this program. |
Originally Posted by 14940674
(Post 16955059)
Would you support the program if the TSA hired employees of Israeli-caliber?
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Originally Posted by 14940674
(Post 16955059)
Would you support the program if the TSA hired employees of Israeli-caliber?
We have a Constitution that prohibits this type of coerced government questioning. Boarding an airplane does not exempt the government from compliance with the Constitution. If this is going to make us safer, how come we didn't have a single hijacking in the 10-year period before or after 9/11? We seem to have done ok without it. Just tell this out-of-control government, "NO!" |
Originally Posted by neko
(Post 16955057)
"For my own safety, I don't give personal information to strangers." "Company policy bars me from discussing details of our business travel." The only response should be, "I don't have to answer your questions and I am not going to." Then walk past them. |
Sorry, Annie Babe...
Originally Posted by 14940674
(Post 16954927)
"At Logan, about 70 agents — all with college degrees — are undergoing training by an international consulting firm that includes a four-day classroom course and 24 hours of on-the-job experience, said TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis."
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Originally Posted by gobluetwo
(Post 16954046)
Seriously, though, I just don't see how the execution of this program will result in any tangible positive outcome. The training they are supposed to be getting is said to be relatively minimal. We don't know that these people have a suitable background or temperament for this sort of behavioral analysis. We don't know the effectiveness of this analysis in such a brief encounter. I'm sure a bunch of shrinks somewhere came up with a manual instructing people to look for facial tics, shifty eyes, crossed arms, or whatever, which may or may not be indicative of anything beyond a fear of flying, gas, or a real intention to do harm (99.999999% sure it won't EVER be that last one). And, as this thread is proving, this is just another way for them to take the focus off the patdowns and body scans and improve their PR. The TSA only exists so we feel safe about flying. Liquids, shoes, pat-downs, x-ray and now questions are just PR. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16955123)
...We caught you in a lie again. Do you even bother to read your own agency's vacancy announcements???
I agree with PTravel and Always Flyin that the US does not need this level of airport security, even if it is conducted competently. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 16955123)
...We caught you in a lie again. Do you even bother to read your own agency's vacancy announcements???
SPOTNik Vacancy Notice -- 2 vacancies in PHL By the way, here are the qualifications: Fortunately, it will only take a few prosecutions of people who deliberately lie to TSA (18 USC Sec. 1001 provides a 5-year felony penalty for that) before the jokesters stop giving poor advice. In the meantime, BOS-ATL is easily driveable and a wonderful view of scenic I-95! |
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