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Then by gum it *is* a training process. But not for THEM, but for US! A damned Pavlovian authority-chest-pounding training exercise! They could be running BRAVO exercises every hour on a different audience, and unless we had FT members always in the area keeping track, we'd never connect the dots.
Even more reason, if you're past the checkpoint, to not participate. |
Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc
(Post 16890018)
They would probably lie down on the floor kicking their feet and pounding the floor with their little blue hands, and screaming for their mommies.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 16889688)
I've read a couple of accounts here on FT in which TSOs did exactly that.
Naturally, if you barged through, they would press charges against you for battery. But how can one defend oneself against unlawful detention without physical contact, if the offenders are surrounding you? Let's be more hypothetical. Suppose you were in a shopping mall, and the mall security guards surrounded you and refused to allow you to pass. What recourse would you have in that situation? |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 16898763)
Suppose you were in a shopping mall, and the mall security guards surrounded you and refused to allow you to pass. What recourse would you have in that situation?
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Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 16898763)
So, what should you do if that happens? I mean, here are a bunch of government clerks, without police powers, with NO authority to detain you, physically blocking your way, thus falsely imprisoning you and massively exceeding their authority.
Let's be more hypothetical. Suppose you were in a shopping mall, and the mall security guards surrounded you and refused to allow you to pass. What recourse would you have in that situation? |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 16898763)
So, what should you do if that happens? I mean, here are a bunch of government clerks, without police powers, with NO authority to detain you, physically blocking your way, thus falsely imprisoning you and massively exceeding their authority.
Naturally, if you barged through, they would press charges against you for battery. But how can one defend oneself against unlawful detention without physical contact, if the offenders are surrounding you? Let's be more hypothetical. Suppose you were in a shopping mall, and the mall security guards surrounded you and refused to allow you to pass. What recourse would you have in that situation? |
Originally Posted by G_Wolf
(Post 16888342)
So let's say I leave the C/P and go back landside. Is there anything preventing me from waiting 15-20 minutes, and then entering the line again? Or going to a different C/P and trying to enter there?
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Originally Posted by G_Wolf
(Post 16926905)
I'm still trying to figure this part out. Let's say I refuse a pat-down for me or my kid, and am asked to leave the C/P. What's stopping me from going back land-side, waiting a little while, and then going back to get re-screened?
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Code Bravo exercise this morning at LAX
It happened at about 9.30am in terminal 7. I was not yet through security when the call was made. The exercise seemed to consist of more standing around than usual. After 3-4 minutes someone announced all clear and thanked us for participating in the exercise. No certificates of completion or appreciation were offered, however.
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Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18111416)
It happened at about 9.30am in terminal 7. I was not yet through security when the call was made. The exercise seemed to consist of more standing around than usual. After 3-4 minutes someone announced all clear and thanked us for participating in the exercise. No certificates of completion or appreciation were offered, however.
Just curiosity... Also wondering if some smart attorney-type could weigh in on whether or not something like this might constitute as false imprisonment (or some other type of illegal detainment) if passengers were made to feel as though they could not leave of their own volition. |
Originally Posted by clrankin
(Post 18111664)
Did anyone decline to participate - i.e. those who were through security just ignoring and leaving, or those who were 'in process' deciding to turn around and leave? At the time, were you made to feel that you had the ability to decide to leave?
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Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18114351)
It's just not clear to me what kind of threat or security breach dictates that the entire TSA operation should remain motionless.
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Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18114351)
I was far enough away from the machines and the people that had cleared through them that I could not tell if any intimidation or restraining was occurring.
Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18114351)
On my side of the line, I did notice that someone from TSA had moved in to the back of the line, presumably to attempt to prevent departures.
Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18114351)
The weird part was all of the standing around by the TSOs.
Originally Posted by jackonferry
(Post 18114351)
It's just not clear to me what kind of threat or security breach dictates that the entire TSA operation should remain motionless.
I wonder what they would do if when yelling "Bravo!" one responded by yelling "All clear!" and continued walking away. What can be started without cause can certainly be ended without cause, correct? ;) |
If the TSA yells "Bravo", is it appropriate to respond with "Sierra"?
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When asked to state my last name, by TSA, it often comes out sounding like "Code Bravo" -
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