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Pesky Monkey Aug 5, 2011 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Elliott (Post 16868438)
If it was me and I was at the checkpoint removing my items from the x-ray machine, I would stay there, but once I have all my belongings and I am headed into the terminal area, if I heard screeners yelling code Bravo, and yelling freeze, I would start walking at a fast pace and disregard any screeners command to freeze.

If they try to blockade me, I will keep walking at my fast pace, and at 6”3” with long legs, I can fast walk at almost a slow trot and will not hesitate to physically walk into one of the screeners if they don’t get out of my way.

Let them call an LEO, I will tell the LEO that as far as I was concerned, they found someone with a gun or possibly a bomb and I feared for my life and wanted to get the hell out of there as fast as possible, I highly doubt that any LEO, upon hearing that excuse will take any action.

I would also ask the LEO if could file a charge of assault against the screener who came into physical contact with me, no screener has any legal authority to physically touch me without my permission, especially once I have left the check point area if I was not the cause of the alarm to begin with. I would leave that decision to the LEO.

Of course there are screeners out there on a power trip who think they are God and expect you to cower at their feet anytime they so demand, remember their motto is we can do whatever we want.

Mr. Elliott

Better yet, do a Silly Walk ala John Cleese. The security tapes would be worth a fortune.

chollie Aug 5, 2011 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey (Post 16868785)
Better yet, do a Silly Walk ala John Cleese. The security tapes would be worth a fortune.

:D

Or the one where Palin (?) 'climbs' the city street on his belly.

Lara21 Aug 6, 2011 12:49 am

I don't think Bravo would really work since everyone would just think it is a test.

So what do they yell if they really do find a a real threat?

Mabuk dan gila Aug 6, 2011 1:35 am


Originally Posted by Lara21 (Post 16869510)
So what do they yell if they really do find a real threat?

No one knows because TSA has never actually found a real threat before.

cottonmather0 Aug 6, 2011 6:16 am

Having never seen this and instantly seeing it as another piece of genius inanity on the part of our security "experts", and reading up on it a little bit more, I've come to the following conclusion:

1.) If I ever encounter this nonsense while inside the checkpoint, and am forced to stand there for no good reason for 10 minutes or more while these morons run around acting tough, I won't risk leaving the checkpoint and letting them pin that on me (which is a legitimate offense), but I'll probably get arrested for disturbing the peace for loudly protesting the whole thing as it goes on. This is especially likely if I'm running late to make a flight home (which, as we all know, happens to business travelers frequently, compared to Ma and Pa who can get to the airport 3 hours in advance for their annual trip to Tulsa...)

2.) If I encounter this nonsense while outside of the checkpoint and am expected to be acquiescent for no other reason except for the sake of being acquiescent, I'll treat it like Mr. MD did and relish the opportunity for an altercation with a bunch of TSA bullies going batty because I won't respect their authoritah (which is really 99% of my problem with the agency in general...). If a LEO eventually eventually tells me to comply, I will, but otherwise I will ignore the plastic badges with enthusiasm.

(FWIW - I view TSA gate checks in much the same way, as nothing but a show of force, but have never been selected and had the opportunity to protest them...)

So I can see good and bad here.

4nsicdoc Aug 6, 2011 6:39 am


Originally Posted by Lara21 (Post 16869510)
I don't think Bravo would really work since everyone would just think it is a test.

So what do they yell if they really do find a a real threat?

"Duck!"

Mr. Elliott Aug 6, 2011 7:10 am


Originally Posted by Lara21 (Post 16869510)
I don't think Bravo would really work since everyone would just think it is a test.

So what do they yell if they really do find a a real threat?

I would think that if they ever found a real bomb at or near the checkpoint, most of the screeners would run away like scared chickens covering their heads.

I don’t see many of them acting like hero’s considering the low wages they pay them by risking their lives.

Mr. Elliott

clrankin Aug 6, 2011 7:41 am


Originally Posted by cottonmather0 (Post 16870101)
If a LEO eventually eventually tells me to comply, I will, but otherwise I will ignore the plastic badges with enthusiasm.

Make sure you get the name of the LEO and various TSA agents involved. File complaints against all of them. Make sure you file a civil rights violation complaint against the cop. Even if it eventually doesn't stick, it will still create a problem and a pain for him/her while going through the process of getting rid of it.

The only way those people learn is if we all fight back. Make their lives miserable - on the job, and away from it.

goalie Aug 6, 2011 10:10 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 16870159)

Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila (Post 16869591)
No one knows because TSA has never actually found a real threat before.

"Duck!"

And put your head between your legs and kiss your a$$ goodbye*

Now I'm wondering what would happen if "BRAVO" was yelled and TSO's were yelling at everyone to freeze and a pax drops dead from a heart attack......
TSO <to the EMT's trying to enter the secure area>: Sorry, you can't come in-it's code BRAVO :rolleyes:

*For those that remember the poster from the 70's ;)

Flaflyer Aug 6, 2011 10:19 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16871005)
*For those that remember the poster from the 70's ;)

Remember? Heck I still have one. What's it worth on ebay? :D

MaximumSisu Aug 6, 2011 10:40 am


Originally Posted by pssteve (Post 16865345)
Just finished TSA review this am and T-4 basically went into lock down for about 2 minutes. All TSA folks were yelling to each other "Bravo". What does it mean?? Everyone was told to freeze and not move. Yea I could have stopped and asked but my goal was to get to AC.

"Bravo" is appropriate after the fat lady has sung.

(Does not apply to blue-shirted fat ladies)

Scubatooth Aug 6, 2011 11:58 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 16871005)
And put your head between your legs and kiss your a$$ goodbye*

Now I'm wondering what would happen if "BRAVO" was yelled and TSO's were yelling at everyone to freeze and a pax drops dead from a heart attack......
TSO <to the EMT's trying to enter the secure area>: Sorry, you can't come in-it's code BRAVO :rolleyes:

*For those that remember the poster from the 70's ;)

Given the nature of society you can expect a lawsuit in the 7-9 figures range before the body is cold. This list of names on that suit would be everything from TSA down to the blue shirts on shift that day. Definitely a way to ruin someone for life for there stupidity and negligence. Some might say that ble shirts don't havemuch but that doesn't mean much as if you have a judgement against you personal assests and bank accounts to satisfy a judgement;)

Mr. Elliott Aug 6, 2011 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 16871480)
Given the nature of society you can expect a lawsuit in the 7-9 figures range before the body is cold. This list of names on that suit would be everything from TSA down to the blue shirts on shift that day. Definitely a way to ruin someone for life for there stupidity and negligence. Some might say that ble shirts don't havemuch but that doesn't mean much as if you have a judgement against you personal assests and bank accounts to satisfy a judgement;)

I think it has been posted here before that all federal employees are protected against personal lawsuits as long as they are following approved procedures, so suing them personally would not be an option, I think it is called sovereign immunity

Now against the TSA or DHS, that could be another story, especially since they did not give any warning that it was a test, and the person thought it was a real event and as a result had a heart attack, even if it was not fatal, caused by the stress.

Who knows which way the courts will rule on this, any guesses from our resident lawyers on this forum.

Mr. Elliott

Scubatooth Aug 6, 2011 1:01 pm

That may be but they would still have to defend themselves in court to get excluded. The "doing ones job or following orders" doesn't really work as a defense as most judges don't like that at all.

sbrower Aug 6, 2011 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 16871727)
That may be but they would still have to defend themselves in court to get excluded. The "doing ones job or following orders" doesn't really work as a defense as most judges don't like that at all.

Not correct. They do not need to defend themselves, their employer will do it for them. And judges like this rule, because it is related to the one that says judges can't be sued as long as they are doing their job.


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