In the eyes of the TSSA.

Actually, they do.

They have the power to control your entry into the sterile area.

And they have the power, without cause, to demand (though you can opt-out) images of you without clothes (AIT) or to touch you (random pat-down)... unless a desire to fly is cause.

I wore a sports bra for my grope. The TSO didn't try to get in between my breasts. She just dragged her hand across the top of my breasts and again below them.

However, procedures apparently vary widely.

If this were really about security and not just humiliating theater, you'd think they'd want to check in the space behind the wall of elastic on my sports bra. But I had the impression that the pat-down was more a punishment for opting out than an effective security check.

One thing to remember as they grope you is that they look a thousand times more ridiculous doing the procedure than you do simply standing there.

We might be getting close to that point here.

It is my sincere hope that you have already contacted an attorney, or at least the ACLU.

Bruising? From a pat-down? That's absolutely effing ridiculous.

But it's far from an absolute power. Suppose, for example, some TSO decided he didn't want to allow any black people to enter the sterile area. Would a court enforce his or her "power" to do that?

So far there have been no court decisions on what they can force people to do in order to enter the sterile area. But I suspect there will be soon.

I am just curious... Do you have a mother, sisters, nieces and friends with children whom you care about. See most men do get turned on because they are visual and I won't fault you for that. However I do fault you for your attitude.

Because how would you feel about this happening to the people you profess to love and care about. See you admit you enjoy it when other women and teenage girls are put through this. Well there are other men who are going to be enjoying and saying the same things about the women in your life when they see them getting abit of girl on girl action at the airport when they have to fly at some point and time.

Are you going to just be able to stand there when you hear a man make a vulgar remark about someone you care about because they are turned on by them getting the sexual grope or are you going to end up in jail?

See you can't have it both ways. You can't get turned on and think it is fun when seeing it done to other women, but get angry when other men are getting turned on and think it is fun when it is being done to the women you care about in your life.

And before you point this out I'll do it before you do.

Yes right now you can avoid some of this by driving, walking, riding the bus, taking a train or a boat, but if things continue the way they are. There just may come a day when you will find yourself going through a security check so intrusive inside your own home that it will make other countries where the citizens have no rights seem like a pool party. Because I see a day in the USA coming where if you refuse to be screened. They simply will lock you away without due process because you will be considered a criminal because you wouldn't comply to their authority.

See the sheeple you refer to, in some of your post, who refuse to fight back and go along with NOS and the sexual gropes because they think it will make them safer. They are opening the door for it to be this way for everyone. So for you to say that you will just enjoy watching the sheeple who go for the sexual gropes because it turns you on will eventually effect you when it becomes mandatory for you and your family members to be searched before you are even allowed to walk out your front door.


Because there is this saying about... He/she who laughs first is the one who ends up crying when the joke turns out to be on him/her.

And before some of you say, but I don't live in the USA.

What happens in the USA doesn't always stay in the USA. The USA could very easy negotiate outlandish security measures to be implimented in other countries. They did it with airport security with planes flying from other countries to the USA. So it could even go further when it comes to anything for safety and security.

My bra sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't. I generally wear the same style of pants (when I find a style of slacks that fit correctly, I buy multiples), same style of (underwire) bra and even if I have no earrings, watch, or metal necklace on, I have set of the WTMD at least twice since October 31st (one other time earlier in October I MAY have had small metal earrings on).

I've debated about pulling a 'Jennifer Beale' (remove my bra without removing my top, ala Jennifer Beale in Flash Dance) if it happens again, but that just may cause me to be selected for additional pat down because of 'suspicious' activity, and I REALLY don't want a pat down while braless!

Having read some of the apparent 900+ (or so the tally was a month ago) on the ACLU site, I am not alone. And yes, my information is there. But believe it or not (and I know that at least one poster will not), that was not the worst experience I had.

I found myself that time in London the day after a TSA screening, standing in front of the mirror, trying to figure out why I had finger tip sized bruises on my breasts. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera or I would have I believe taken photographs to counteract the 'everybody lies' comments. Of course, it could I suppose have occurred whilst I was asleep on the plane, but somehow I doubt it.

I canceled my upcoming flight for New Year's Eve and decided to drive the 5 hours to my destination, rather than flying.

I do have a trip coming up in February that I must fly for, and another in May (overseas - swimming to Barcelona is not an option. :) )

My intent is to wear a running bra, under a long-sleeve Unitard, which will be under my pants & top. No way to remove it without stripping down, and if the TSA wants me to strip, I'll be doing it in public. I will not accept a private room for any "pat down". No waistband for them to stick their grubby hands in. No way to 'lift' or 'separate' the girls.

I think Goj was being sarcastic and taking a jab at Eyecue. At least I'm reading it as that.

Huh? How does this make no waistband? It's just they'll hit the unitard rather than skin. I do like the idea, though--you're giving them a pretty hard problem to solve.

that's what I mean - they won't touch skin, they /certainly/ won't be touching the skin below the waist, and no private areas will be harmed in the making of this episode of Travel Security Theatre. :)

Yes There is only one tiny issue.

If they make you to disrobe, that disrobe only goes up to your waist.

Sinec they cant touch or see naked skin ! How would that work if you are bare chested above the waist?

Probable ( would not suprise me) you are told that you "interfere" with screening !

I wondered about that too as I do not wear a bra. If I was forced to take my top off my breasts would be exposed, naked. If I refused to go into a back room, would they have me do this out in public? I don't have a problem with it to show the other travelers what the US has come to. I would not be embarrassed.