Pat Downs-Breasts question
 

In numerous photos I have seen about the pat-downs of the breast area, it shows someone running their hand down in between the breasts, with their hand all the way against the chest.

Well, what about us women who have large breasts and who choose to wear those kinds of sports bras where is really is not space between the breasts? hey are just smooshed together...will they "dig" their hands in there, or just glide their hand over top?

It all depends on the TSO agent. Anywere and anyhow is the answer,
They can get very into it or just ignore it.

You dont know until it is over and one. And yes I do know how sick it sounds like.
If you feel bad about . Just let them know. But then you could also be accused of working against secirity and get in trouble for that.
TSo want us to enjoy it all for security.

In my wife's case, the pervert went under her bra.

She was groped because she was wearing a skirt.

I wear a D cup and I don't wear a sport bra like the one you described, which means I don't get the uni-boob effect. I do opt out when picked and I'm usually picked. FWIW here's how it's gone down for me. The female TSA runs the back of her hand around each breast. She doesn't smoosh against my chest wall between them but she does run her hand all the way around each one.

Well, I wear an H cup and to hold them apart would place them partially under my arms. There is no article of clothing that is going to save me from literally being strip-searched or to have a stranger's hands inside the cups. I am sick with fear.....

I posted awhile back about the differences small breasted vs larger breasted women have with pat down. For a small breasted woman, we have space between our breasts large enough for a hand (in some cases)

Yet being small breasted doesn't mean that we don't have our share of abuse; I know that I am not the only woman here who has ended up with bruising on their breasts after a pat down from TSA.

I posted on another thread asking about if the TSA has the authority to use physical force t restrain you and apparently the answer is no, so now another question.

If during the pat down, the TSO gets to aggressive and causes physical pain, do you have the right to forcibly remove the TSO’s hands from you.

If this was me, I would do just that, then immediately call for an LEO and the FSD to report the TSO, I would also ask the LEO and the FSD to review the tapes to see if the TSO was to aggressive.

Mr. Elliott

When I did (not during the breast exam, but another time when a TSO seemed to put more pressure on the area I specifically said was a painful area), the TSO began to threaten me. It was in fact at least one other TSO who called a supervisor to stop the actions of the first TSO. Had they not done that, I don't know the outcome, but I was certainly threatened that day that I would not fly or worse.

I simply had asked her verbally to stop for a moment as she was increasing the pain, and then had involuntary movements which were caused by her pressing on the area.
And at that point, I was in so much pain that I don't know if I would have been able to control my verbal or physical actions.

You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

"Requested"

I will do nothing to facilitate your further molestation of my person. Nor do I have to. You have no power over me.

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Disgusting.

This is starting to sound like a porno!

And no, being 'requested' to touch myself so you can watch does NOT make me feel safer. And the line "For your safety" doesn't fly with me. (Pun intended)

Eyecue, I'm really trying to give you benefit of doubt, but each time you post stuff like this, your creditability drops dramatically.

Seriously? Listen to what you are saying and think about the women that you know personally. You want people doing this to them??

I'm boggled that you can think this is okay.

(counts to ten before posting)

Thats when I don't comply, and back away from the screener, and request a LEO

:mad: x 10

The Islamowacko terrorists won. United States of America, 1776-2010. RIP.

This sounds so incredibly stupid. :rolleyes:

Perhaps now in addition to wheelchair pushers & info-desk-staffers, there will now be brigade of volunteer perverts to assist in lifting, moving & separating boobs.

Is this stuff actually typed with a straight face?

I presume eyecue is male -- else he'd know that the construction of many modern brassieres doesn't lend itself to the "lifting or moving/separating" of breasts. Will this become part of the new TSA dress code? Women must travel braless?

I will strip naked before I will be manipulating my breasts to help some TSA clerk feel me up.

~~ Irish

In regards to separating or lifting, I don't think it would be possible without removal of this type of bra.

I only wear them for intense exercise, but I wondered how it would affect the screening process. I'm not about wearing it to the airport now that from what I've been reading they will still find a way if they really want to dig in there.

I'm just so sickened by all of this, I have been trying to find a way to make this upcoming flight experience not so horrible, but I don't think it's possible.

So is there some kind of consensus yet? Underwire to "pre"-lift and separate, or sports bra to avoid metal and possibly protect from overly grabby hands?

(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)

You Americans crack me up! We'd have a RIOT in Israel if they tried this: we'd burn the airport down!

LOL

I wear underwire and the (few) times I don't get selected for backscatter, my bra doesn't set off the metal detector.

IMO, eyecue loses credibility when he claims the Constitution doesn't apply in airports but cannot explain why.

In this case, he is explaining what TSA will do and that the worst of this behavior is about to go national. They CAN FORCE the well-endowed to "separate" (females) or "lift" (males). They CAN FORCE people remove articles of clothing that prevent them from inspecting. You may refuse, but they will immediate give you the DYW2FT line and, if that doesn't force you into compliance, they will retaliate, make threats, get the LEO to make threats, threaten to fine you, add your personal information to a "secret" enemies list, etc., etc., etc. It boggles my mind to understand why 80% of the country is OK with this.

The TSA, in their over-abundance of caution/F the Constitution and people's rights/dignity approach, HAS ALREADY implemented a STRIP SEARCH and PROBE BODY CREVICES program. Given the recent events in MCO and LAS with random pat-downs for no reason at all, this behavior is clearly getting worse. Anyone that doesn't think full-body xrays, more-frequent strip searches, and cavity (as opposes to crevice) probing is the direction we are headed is naive.

There is one simple explanation to the more-aggressive and more-frequent groping. TSA knows the AIT isn't effective.

I used to think people who talked about the "FEMA concentration camps" were insane.

Now, I'm beginning to wonder if the TSA isn't a training ground for the people who'll end up being guards at those camps...

wow. And not even a hint of shame.

I don't know if there are any package handlers left who're capable of demonstrating shame.

They can't even tell the truth.

Stating that the TSA can "request" anything during the search process is a lie (statement made with the intent to deceive). Failure to comply with a "request" results in your loss of ability to fly, threats of civil fines, possible arrest, and/or a forced strip search. In other words, if you refuse the request, they will do it anyway or arrest/fine you. There is no logical way to define this behavior as a request.

The truthful statement is the TSA can FORCE YOU to manipulate your private parts and/or strip naked without any probable cause or suspicion.

Can I request to watch? I remember getting seriously turned on at one particular checkpoint when a spectacularly beautiful bra-clad young women was getting the full treatment. I wonder if she realized how much her show was lifting the "spirits" of all the male spectators. TSA checkpoints are the closest I've gotten to a girl-on-girl live sex show. And this was before the new patdowns. I think 13 year old boys are getting the most wood from these shows though. I predict a lot of young hands covering zippers. Can they be requested to lift/move/separate their labia as well? I might even pay to watch that. Since they are sheeple they will probably do anything they are asked to just to make their flight. If opposite sex groping were allowed I would seriously consider applying to be a TSO. The porn scanners aren't quite enough of a draw for me to become a complete scoundrel, but I haven't done a breast patdown in quite some time.

Who is "we"? If it is an attractive female I'm sure he would be happy to comply.

Are you really sure you want to ask this question?

The male LEO will just laugh at you. The first amendment protects their right to ask you. Anyone can ask you. You do have the right to refuse, however. Which I assume you would.

No. You don't.

When did a breast become a lethal weapon?

In the eyes of the TSSA.

Actually, they do.

They have the power to control your entry into the sterile area.

And they have the power, without cause, to demand (though you can opt-out) images of you without clothes (AIT) or to touch you (random pat-down)... unless a desire to fly is cause.

I wore a sports bra for my grope. The TSO didn't try to get in between my breasts. She just dragged her hand across the top of my breasts and again below them.

However, procedures apparently vary widely.

If this were really about security and not just humiliating theater, you'd think they'd want to check in the space behind the wall of elastic on my sports bra. But I had the impression that the pat-down was more a punishment for opting out than an effective security check.

One thing to remember as they grope you is that they look a thousand times more ridiculous doing the procedure than you do simply standing there.

We might be getting close to that point here.

It is my sincere hope that you have already contacted an attorney, or at least the ACLU.

Bruising? From a pat-down? That's absolutely effing ridiculous.

But it's far from an absolute power. Suppose, for example, some TSO decided he didn't want to allow any black people to enter the sterile area. Would a court enforce his or her "power" to do that?

So far there have been no court decisions on what they can force people to do in order to enter the sterile area. But I suspect there will be soon.

I am just curious... Do you have a mother, sisters, nieces and friends with children whom you care about. See most men do get turned on because they are visual and I won't fault you for that. However I do fault you for your attitude.

Because how would you feel about this happening to the people you profess to love and care about. See you admit you enjoy it when other women and teenage girls are put through this. Well there are other men who are going to be enjoying and saying the same things about the women in your life when they see them getting abit of girl on girl action at the airport when they have to fly at some point and time.

Are you going to just be able to stand there when you hear a man make a vulgar remark about someone you care about because they are turned on by them getting the sexual grope or are you going to end up in jail?

See you can't have it both ways. You can't get turned on and think it is fun when seeing it done to other women, but get angry when other men are getting turned on and think it is fun when it is being done to the women you care about in your life.

And before you point this out I'll do it before you do.

Yes right now you can avoid some of this by driving, walking, riding the bus, taking a train or a boat, but if things continue the way they are. There just may come a day when you will find yourself going through a security check so intrusive inside your own home that it will make other countries where the citizens have no rights seem like a pool party. Because I see a day in the USA coming where if you refuse to be screened. They simply will lock you away without due process because you will be considered a criminal because you wouldn't comply to their authority.

See the sheeple you refer to, in some of your post, who refuse to fight back and go along with NOS and the sexual gropes because they think it will make them safer. They are opening the door for it to be this way for everyone. So for you to say that you will just enjoy watching the sheeple who go for the sexual gropes because it turns you on will eventually effect you when it becomes mandatory for you and your family members to be searched before you are even allowed to walk out your front door.


Because there is this saying about... He/she who laughs first is the one who ends up crying when the joke turns out to be on him/her.

And before some of you say, but I don't live in the USA.

What happens in the USA doesn't always stay in the USA. The USA could very easy negotiate outlandish security measures to be implimented in other countries. They did it with airport security with planes flying from other countries to the USA. So it could even go further when it comes to anything for safety and security.

My bra sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't. I generally wear the same style of pants (when I find a style of slacks that fit correctly, I buy multiples), same style of (underwire) bra and even if I have no earrings, watch, or metal necklace on, I have set of the WTMD at least twice since October 31st (one other time earlier in October I MAY have had small metal earrings on).

I've debated about pulling a 'Jennifer Beale' (remove my bra without removing my top, ala Jennifer Beale in Flash Dance) if it happens again, but that just may cause me to be selected for additional pat down because of 'suspicious' activity, and I REALLY don't want a pat down while braless!

Having read some of the apparent 900+ (or so the tally was a month ago) on the ACLU site, I am not alone. And yes, my information is there. But believe it or not (and I know that at least one poster will not), that was not the worst experience I had.

I found myself that time in London the day after a TSA screening, standing in front of the mirror, trying to figure out why I had finger tip sized bruises on my breasts. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera or I would have I believe taken photographs to counteract the 'everybody lies' comments. Of course, it could I suppose have occurred whilst I was asleep on the plane, but somehow I doubt it.

I canceled my upcoming flight for New Year's Eve and decided to drive the 5 hours to my destination, rather than flying.

I do have a trip coming up in February that I must fly for, and another in May (overseas - swimming to Barcelona is not an option. :) )

My intent is to wear a running bra, under a long-sleeve Unitard, which will be under my pants & top. No way to remove it without stripping down, and if the TSA wants me to strip, I'll be doing it in public. I will not accept a private room for any "pat down". No waistband for them to stick their grubby hands in. No way to 'lift' or 'separate' the girls.