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PatrickHenry1775 Dec 18, 2010 11:45 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15478628)
You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

The Islamowacko terrorists won. United States of America, 1776-2010. RIP.

MikeMpls Dec 19, 2010 12:43 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15478628)
You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

This sounds so incredibly stupid. :rolleyes:

Perhaps now in addition to wheelchair pushers & info-desk-staffers, there will now be brigade of volunteer perverts to assist in lifting, moving & separating boobs.

IrishDoesntFlyNow Dec 19, 2010 4:59 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15478628)
You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

Is this stuff actually typed with a straight face?

I presume eyecue is male -- else he'd know that the construction of many modern brassieres doesn't lend itself to the "lifting or moving/separating" of breasts. Will this become part of the new TSA dress code? Women must travel braless?

I will strip naked before I will be manipulating my breasts to help some TSA clerk feel me up.

~~ Irish

pubpad Dec 19, 2010 5:11 am

In regards to separating or lifting, I don't think it would be possible without removal of this type of bra.

I only wear them for intense exercise, but I wondered how it would affect the screening process. I'm not about wearing it to the airport now that from what I've been reading they will still find a way if they really want to dig in there.

I'm just so sickened by all of this, I have been trying to find a way to make this upcoming flight experience not so horrible, but I don't think it's possible.

iowakatie1981 Dec 19, 2010 6:22 am

So is there some kind of consensus yet? Underwire to "pre"-lift and separate, or sports bra to avoid metal and possibly protect from overly grabby hands?

(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)

zefatcheese Dec 19, 2010 7:33 am

You Americans crack me up! We'd have a RIOT in Israel if they tried this: we'd burn the airport down!

LOL

edj3 Dec 19, 2010 7:47 am


Originally Posted by iowakatie1981 (Post 15480400)
So is there some kind of consensus yet? Underwire to "pre"-lift and separate, or sports bra to avoid metal and possibly protect from overly grabby hands?

(Also, a sports bra would provide extra support if I have to make a run for it to the gate after having been detained for God-knows-how-long at security...)

I wear underwire and the (few) times I don't get selected for backscatter, my bra doesn't set off the metal detector.

ScatterX Dec 19, 2010 8:17 am


Originally Posted by FaustsAccountant (Post 15479034)
Eyecue, I'm really trying to give you benefit of doubt, but each time you post stuff like this, your creditability drops dramatically.

IMO, eyecue loses credibility when he claims the Constitution doesn't apply in airports but cannot explain why.

In this case, he is explaining what TSA will do and that the worst of this behavior is about to go national. They CAN FORCE the well-endowed to "separate" (females) or "lift" (males). They CAN FORCE people remove articles of clothing that prevent them from inspecting. You may refuse, but they will immediate give you the DYW2FT line and, if that doesn't force you into compliance, they will retaliate, make threats, get the LEO to make threats, threaten to fine you, add your personal information to a "secret" enemies list, etc., etc., etc. It boggles my mind to understand why 80% of the country is OK with this.

The TSA, in their over-abundance of caution/F the Constitution and people's rights/dignity approach, HAS ALREADY implemented a STRIP SEARCH and PROBE BODY CREVICES program. Given the recent events in MCO and LAS with random pat-downs for no reason at all, this behavior is clearly getting worse. Anyone that doesn't think full-body xrays, more-frequent strip searches, and cavity (as opposes to crevice) probing is the direction we are headed is naive.

There is one simple explanation to the more-aggressive and more-frequent groping. TSA knows the AIT isn't effective.

Caradoc Dec 19, 2010 8:28 am


Originally Posted by ScatterX (Post 15480917)
They CAN FORCE the well-endowed to "separate" (females) or "lift" (males). They CAN FORCE people remove articles of clothing that prevent them from inspecting. You may refuse, but they will immediate give you the DYW2FT line and, if that doesn't force you into compliance, they will retaliate, make threats, get the LEO to make threats, threaten to fine you, add your personal information to a "secret" enemies list, etc., etc., etc. It boggles my mind to understand why 80% of the country is OK with this.

I used to think people who talked about the "FEMA concentration camps" were insane.

Now, I'm beginning to wonder if the TSA isn't a training ground for the people who'll end up being guards at those camps...

oboshoe Dec 19, 2010 8:33 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15478628)
You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

wow. And not even a hint of shame.

Caradoc Dec 19, 2010 8:34 am


Originally Posted by oboshoe (Post 15480991)
wow. And not even a hint of shame.

I don't know if there are any package handlers left who're capable of demonstrating shame.

ScatterX Dec 19, 2010 8:54 am


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 15481003)
I don't know if there are any package handlers left who're capable of demonstrating shame.

They can't even tell the truth.

Stating that the TSA can "request" anything during the search process is a lie (statement made with the intent to deceive). Failure to comply with a "request" results in your loss of ability to fly, threats of civil fines, possible arrest, and/or a forced strip search. In other words, if you refuse the request, they will do it anyway or arrest/fine you. There is no logical way to define this behavior as a request.

The truthful statement is the TSA can FORCE YOU to manipulate your private parts and/or strip naked without any probable cause or suspicion.

gojirasan Dec 19, 2010 9:21 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15478628)
You can be requested to lift or move/seperate the breasts in order to facilitate the pat down.

Can I request to watch? I remember getting seriously turned on at one particular checkpoint when a spectacularly beautiful bra-clad young women was getting the full treatment. I wonder if she realized how much her show was lifting the "spirits" of all the male spectators. TSA checkpoints are the closest I've gotten to a girl-on-girl live sex show. And this was before the new patdowns. I think 13 year old boys are getting the most wood from these shows though. I predict a lot of young hands covering zippers. Can they be requested to lift/move/separate their labia as well? I might even pay to watch that. Since they are sheeple they will probably do anything they are asked to just to make their flight. If opposite sex groping were allowed I would seriously consider applying to be a TSO. The porn scanners aren't quite enough of a draw for me to become a complete scoundrel, but I haven't done a breast patdown in quite some time.


Originally Posted by littlesheep (Post 15478724)
How about you lift up your penis so we can feel under it! How about that, huh?

Sick, sick, sick.

Who is "we"? If it is an attractive female I'm sure he would be happy to comply.


Originally Posted by TheGolfWidow (Post 15479041)
Seriously? Listen to what you are saying and think about the women that you know personally. You want people doing this to them??

Are you really sure you want to ask this question?


Originally Posted by yautjalady (Post 15479082)
(counts to ten before posting)

Thats when I don't comply, and back away from the screener, and request a LEO

:mad: x 10

The male LEO will just laugh at you. The first amendment protects their right to ask you. Anyone can ask you. You do have the right to refuse, however. Which I assume you would.

ScatterX Dec 19, 2010 9:44 am


Originally Posted by gojirasan (Post 15481217)
You do have the right to refuse...

No. You don't.

buckeyefanflyer Dec 19, 2010 9:49 am

When did a breast become a lethal weapon?


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