TSA workers feel victimized
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TSA workers feel victimized
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...zed.html?cat=9
"The complaints of the poor, put-upon bureaucrats getting abused for feeling up passengers are not likely to garner much sympathy from those very same passengers. This is especially true when the reaction of TSA officials to complaints about the intrusive security procedures seems to be, "If you don't like it, don't fly."
The response, so far, seems to be, "If you don't like the complaints, don't work for the TSA."
What do you think?
"The complaints of the poor, put-upon bureaucrats getting abused for feeling up passengers are not likely to garner much sympathy from those very same passengers. This is especially true when the reaction of TSA officials to complaints about the intrusive security procedures seems to be, "If you don't like it, don't fly."
The response, so far, seems to be, "If you don't like the complaints, don't work for the TSA."
What do you think?
#2
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"'Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me. ...These comments are painful and demoralizing,' one unnamed TSO posted on Frischling's website.
"Another said: 'Being a TSO means often being verbally abused. You let the comments roll off and check the next person; however, when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her; that is beyond verbal abuse.'"
"Another said: 'Being a TSO means often being verbally abused. You let the comments roll off and check the next person; however, when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her; that is beyond verbal abuse.'"
Yeah, right. If you don't like it, TSO, go get another job. I mean, isn't that what you like to tell us when we object to the draconian screening methods?
"Do you want to fly today?"
"Do you want a job today?"
#6
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bummer. DYWAJT
"Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep."
That's exactly what you are. Glad to see the general public is calling it like it is ^.
"when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her; that is beyond verbal abuse"
No, sorry that is not beyond "verbal abuse", rather what you are doing is sexual abuse
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"Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep."
That's exactly what you are. Glad to see the general public is calling it like it is ^.
"when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her; that is beyond verbal abuse"
No, sorry that is not beyond "verbal abuse", rather what you are doing is sexual abuse
#7
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Honestly there was a time, not so long ago, my wife and I were partaking in one of our favorite airport pastimes. We were observing the checkpoint and I told her I thought working for the TSA might be a decent job I wouldn't mind having if I were to ever find myself unemployed.
Today? Ain't no way in heck I would take that job.
Today? Ain't no way in heck I would take that job.
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Who gives a good godda** if TSOs have their feelings hurt or not? They're advancing a monstrous, anti-American, anti-constitutional policy. Zero sympathy. There are more respectable jobs for the taking: pornographer, Four Loco marketer, cockfight organizer...
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When I have an awkward, invasive or painful medical or dental procedure done, the doctor/nurse/technician/dentist always tells me ahead of time what is going to happen. And without exception, they are apologetic about it.
"OK, I'm sorry, but this is going to be pretty uncomfortable. I'm going to bla-bla and you're going to feel bla-bla, but...."
I understand that some TSOs need the job and I understand that the frisks wer not a part of the job when most of them hired on. (I have noticed that it seems to be disproportionately female TSOs doing the frisks, because the male TSOs seem to be getting really good at avoiding patdowns - afraid of getting clocked or aversion to touching a guy, I don't know).
But is there something in the SOP that prevents a TSO from acting like a good, aware medical provider and making it clear, 'neither one of us is happy about this, but we've got to do it'? Maybe that, plus treating passengers like a family member (a respected one) would make it marginally more tolerable for everyone.
"OK, I'm sorry, but this is going to be pretty uncomfortable. I'm going to bla-bla and you're going to feel bla-bla, but...."
I understand that some TSOs need the job and I understand that the frisks wer not a part of the job when most of them hired on. (I have noticed that it seems to be disproportionately female TSOs doing the frisks, because the male TSOs seem to be getting really good at avoiding patdowns - afraid of getting clocked or aversion to touching a guy, I don't know).
But is there something in the SOP that prevents a TSO from acting like a good, aware medical provider and making it clear, 'neither one of us is happy about this, but we've got to do it'? Maybe that, plus treating passengers like a family member (a respected one) would make it marginally more tolerable for everyone.
#10
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If they feel victimized NOW, just how will they feel when they find out that the X ray scanners are not perfect (no machines are) and they've all at risk of melanomas?
The hard time we're giving them is literally helping to assure their safety.
The hard time we're giving them is literally helping to assure their safety.
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Victimized? They should be charged with treason.
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C'mon guys, this is over the top.
Some of them are creeps, for sure. Others are decent people who got more than they bargained for on the job. If later on they find out that they were lied to about the scanners, then they are victims too. None of us deserve to be lied to by the bosses in power.
I do agree that some of them aren't happy and take it out on the pax ("if you wouldn't opt out, I wouldn't have to feel you up, this is disgusting, I'll teach you a leson"). I believe there are quite a few out there like that and I have no sympathy for them.
Don't like it? Neither do I. You want me to suck it up, be polite, submit the complaint forms and write my congressman or don't fly? I think you should do the same: suck it up, be polite, submit the complaint forms and write your congressman or don't come to work.
Certainly there are too many complicit TSOs. As far as I'm concerned, if one TSO is snickering at me or gawking while I'm getting frisked, it is the obligation of the frisker to stop, look at the loser TSO and say loudly and clearly 'Yes? Are you watching for a reason or are you supposed to be doing something useful?'
If TSO-A sees TSO-B doing something inappropriate or unprofessional and doesn't call him/her out on it, well, then I don't have any sympathy. In my eyes, that makes TSO-A just as guilty as TSO-B.
Some of them are creeps, for sure. Others are decent people who got more than they bargained for on the job. If later on they find out that they were lied to about the scanners, then they are victims too. None of us deserve to be lied to by the bosses in power.
I do agree that some of them aren't happy and take it out on the pax ("if you wouldn't opt out, I wouldn't have to feel you up, this is disgusting, I'll teach you a leson"). I believe there are quite a few out there like that and I have no sympathy for them.
Don't like it? Neither do I. You want me to suck it up, be polite, submit the complaint forms and write my congressman or don't fly? I think you should do the same: suck it up, be polite, submit the complaint forms and write your congressman or don't come to work.
Certainly there are too many complicit TSOs. As far as I'm concerned, if one TSO is snickering at me or gawking while I'm getting frisked, it is the obligation of the frisker to stop, look at the loser TSO and say loudly and clearly 'Yes? Are you watching for a reason or are you supposed to be doing something useful?'
If TSO-A sees TSO-B doing something inappropriate or unprofessional and doesn't call him/her out on it, well, then I don't have any sympathy. In my eyes, that makes TSO-A just as guilty as TSO-B.
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"The complaints of the poor, put-upon bureaucrats getting abused for feeling up passengers are not likely to garner much sympathy from those very same passengers. This is especially true when the reaction of TSA officials to complaints about the intrusive security procedures seems to be, "If you don't like it, don't fly."
The response, so far, seems to be, "If you don't like the complaints, don't work for the TSA."
What do you think?
"The complaints of the poor, put-upon bureaucrats getting abused for feeling up passengers are not likely to garner much sympathy from those very same passengers. This is especially true when the reaction of TSA officials to complaints about the intrusive security procedures seems to be, "If you don't like it, don't fly."
The response, so far, seems to be, "If you don't like the complaints, don't work for the TSA."
What do you think?
It's that pesky little "With the consent of the governed" statement that will get you every time.
Actually, this is a huge chink in Pissy's armor and we have to exploit the vulnerability every chance we get. Perhaps screeners will quit at a higher rate than we opted out a couple of weeks ago if we keep the heat on.
This will begin to cost us more money as the number of cases of depression, anxiety attacks, and other psychological disorders among the screener workforce begins to mount up. We taxpayers will get stuck with the bills for medical care, meds, and workmen's comp, and perhaps even disability retirements.


