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Old Oct 18, 2010, 3:47 pm
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The first of Many:

An open letter to ExpressJet Airlines CEO ^

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...8&id=611130401
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 3:49 pm
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I don't have a Facebook account. Can you highlight some of what is posted on the link you provided?
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
You may have been a bit too aggressive in your quoting / interpretation there - read the rest of the sentence. I'm not debating what the TSO can actually see. I'm debating what it is.
And I'm saying that you should have to prove what you say it is. Where's the problem?
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Combat Medic
And I'm saying that you should have to prove what you say it is. Where's the problem?
Prove that I don't think it's a naked body. Care to elaborate on how one might do such a thing?
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
Prove that I don't think it's a naked body. Care to elaborate on how one might do such a thing?
Provide full resolution images exactly as a TSO sees them.
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Combat Medic
Provide full resolution images exactly as a TSO sees them.
How would I have such images? I don't work in the industry or have any association with the TSA. I'm telling you what I've seen - my personal experience. That isn't saved on my computer as a jpeg image.

At the end of the day I'm telling you, having looked at plenty of these images, that I don't believe that they are "nude" images or "pornography" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they're being called today on this board. You can either agree or disagree with that opinion, but telling me that it is factually wrong is just not possible.

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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
I'm telling you what I've seen - my personal experience.
How do you know you're getting the real deal - especially enough to matter-of-factually dismiss the claims made in opposition to the idea that we are getting the real deal?

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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
At the end of the day I'm telling you, having looked at plenty of these images, that I don't believe that they are "nude" images or "pornography" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they're being called today on this board. You can either agree or disagree with that opinion, but telling me that it is factually wrong is just not possible.
Apparently, the UK government disagreed with your opinion:

Airport security chiefs have been banned from subjecting children to a controversial new X-ray scanner that produces ‘naked’ pictures of passengers because of legal warnings the images may break child pornography laws.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bl6GB9Ts
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:41 pm
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Ignoring the fact that the OP said that this was the first time he was subject to an 'Enhanced Patdown'...do you think that the famous time that Rosa Parks refused to go to the back of the bus was the first time that she ever got on a bus?
Rosa was already in the back (colored) section of the bus. What she was told to do by the driver was to give up her seat to the white passenger. This was even contrary to the existing (racist) laws of the time. The law said that blacks only had to move back if there was a seat to move back to. Still Parks was arrested when she refused to stand and charged with this statute:

, and it shall be unlawful for any passenger to refuse or fail to take a seat among those assigned to the race to which he belongs, at the request of any such employee in charge, if there is such a seat vacant


While I don't equate racial discrimination with the injustice of the loss of civil liberties in the security theater, the analogy is somehow appropriate.

As for your assertion that Parks was a habitual violator of the race segregation, it would appear that NOT to be the case. The only noted incident prior was one where while doing the required "pay your fare up front and then go out and reboard through the rear doors" she sat briefly to retrieve her dropped purse which enraged the same driver who she would face on the subsequent incident (though neither apparently recognized each other from the earlier incident).
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 4:56 pm
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
How would I have such images? I don't work in the industry or have any association with the TSA. I'm telling you what I've seen - my personal experience. That isn't saved on my computer as a jpeg image.

At the end of the day I'm telling you, having looked at plenty of these images, that I don't believe that they are "nude" images or "pornography" or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they're being called today on this board. You can either agree or disagree with that opinion, but telling me that it is factually wrong is just not possible.
OK....so, you don't work in the industry or have any association with the TSA.
Then, how can you tell me with the certainty needed to say:
"I'm not debating what the TSO can actually see. I'm debating what it is."
If you have never seen the image that a TSO can see? Just because you got to see the same general technology a few years ago in another country?
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
I'm telling you what I've seen - my personal experience.
Did the TSA give you a tour while someone was going through the new equipment? How would I get to see the same monitor view that you've seen?
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 6:24 pm
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Did the TSA give you a tour while someone was going through the new equipment? How would I get to see the same monitor view that you've seen?
Unlike some others who post on this board, I've seen WBI's in actual use screening people at an airport. The screen shots I saw were much more detailed than the foggy images TSA would like us to believe they are looking at.
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 6:29 pm
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How odd, because all the ones I've seen in the UK look pretty much like the ones issued for publicity.
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Old Oct 18, 2010, 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
Unlike some others who post on this board, I've seen WBI's in actual use screening people at an airport. The screen shots I saw were much more detailed than the foggy images TSA would like us to believe they are looking at.
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Remember the CBS News report on TSA? Kippie took the CBS reporter into the "imaging" room, and they showed the pics from the monitor. Obviously, the buttons to invert and zoom were not used during the interview..
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