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Old Jun 22, 2012, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by average_passenger
THANK YOU for your info!! How do you ignore AirServ's directions? What do they wear? Is it bad to just go to the other checkpoint?
No problem!

This is what most of them wear:



I haven't been through since March, so I'm guessing that the non BKSX lanes are still there. If I ran into them again, I'd likely ignore them, or say I'm a 1K, etc, etc.
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Not an opt out story per se, but I found it interesting that contracted security at SFO set up a NoS ambush.

I was in the elite line in SFO T3 near where the international inbounds come out of customs. They had 2 obvious lines working - one with a NoS and one with a WTMD. They were also pushing people thru a line that went around a corner. It seemed shorter but I couldn't see what around the corner. In fact, you couldn't see it either until you were in line and went around that corner or were already thru the other 2 lines.

I decided to stay in the second line which was WTMD only (and I could see it was). I'm glad I didn't go into to the other shorter line as I saw it led to a NoS.

Just thought it was pretty sneaky that there was nothing to indicate there was a NoS there and they were funneling people off over there.
Which side is the line with the WTMD? Thank you for your info about the line that goes around the corner. Is that line to the left or right of the other two lines?
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by average_passenger
which side of the ticketing counter? Right or left? Could you please describe how to get there? Thank you!!
It's immediately to the right of the ticketing counter - you have to walk past it to get to the main entrance to the checkpoint. There's a column (or elevator shaft?) right in the middle of the corridor there and the checkpoint is kind of tucked into the corner there between the column and the escalator up to the concourse (gate) level. The main entrance is around on the other side of the column (towards Terminal 6) and this entrance is on the near side of the column. Both entrances and lanes feed into the same checkpoint and escalators, but this particular entrance is WTMD only.

Originally Posted by average_passenger
THANK YOU for your info!! How do you ignore AirServ's directions? What do they wear? Is it bad to just go to the other checkpoint?
There was just a lady there wearing a typical airport service workers uniform (vest, blue shirt, ID badge, etc). She was checking boarding passes before letting anyone into the line, but I didn't notice her turning anyone away. I don't know how possible it would be to ignore her and get in line anyway without interacting with her, but I also didn't see anything that indicated it was a "selective" sort of entrance. I'd just show her my valid boarding pass and get into line.
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by average_passenger
If you go through customs in SFO (or anywhere) returning to the US, do you have to go through a body scanner to leave the airport?
Shouldn't have to. There were signs pointing to taxis, ground transportation, etc.

I think it's only in places where customs is airside do you have to go thru to leave the airport, such as PIT or ATL.
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by average_passenger
Which side is the line with the WTMD? Thank you for your info about the line that goes around the corner. Is that line to the left or right of the other two lines?
To the right. There were 3 lines running. Left was MMW NoS and the "middle" was WTMD only ... no NoS near it. I use "middle" as it's the middle of the 3 I saw, but if you look at it from the outside, it would be on the right as the 3rd lane was around the corner and out of view. The third line (right most one with the ambush) went to the wall, and snaked around for a little bit around one of those NoS peep booths where the guy looks at your scan. After you pass that, the line snakes to the right where it dumps you at the bag xray and NoS.

I had thought about going in that line as it was shorter, but decided against it as I knew for sure I wouldn't have to opt out in the line I was in. My instincts were right.
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 6:29 pm
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FLL Terminal 4 had six lanes open Thursday night, with two (!) feeding the WTMD. All lines were very short, and it was very easy to avoid the scope and grope. TSA was encouraging people to go to the NoS lanes, but not ordering them to do so.
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Old Jun 22, 2012, 10:56 pm
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FLL was completely different Friday morning (Terminal 1, United). I arrived before 6 am and was directed to a NoS, just like every other passenger -- quite a lot of people, actually. I said that I was opting out but the moat dragon said that I had to wait in the long NoS line first and then opt out just before entering it. I refused to engage in such foolishness and insisted that I was opting out right now! She tried arguing with me, but I demanded a supervisor. When she refused to call one, I did -- in a loud voice. The moat dragon and I then had a huge battle over my not being able to see my property, but that ended when the supervisor arrived.

She started in with garbage about how I was disrupting "her checkpoint." I told her that she was lying -- and that's the oldest trick in the book, anyway. To make a long story short(er), I eventually got my pat-down, but it was absurdly thorough and supervised by a deputy sheriff. I bantered with him about how, under other circumstances, he would be arresting these same TSA thugs. He pretended not to get it but laughed.

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Old Jun 23, 2012, 6:07 am
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MCO B side this morning had "stealth backscatter" in use. TSA seemed to be periodically flushing the main security lines by sending large groups down a side lane and around a corner to some backscatter scanners. It did not appear that you had a choice about being taken out of the main line. If you were lucky enough to stay in the main line, you could SDOO--and you didn't have to wait in line as long.

I also saw an airline employee opt out of the WTMD in the crew lane and go through a backscatter scanner. How nice that employees are so free to choose the form of the Destructor...

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Old Jun 23, 2012, 7:35 am
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Went through IAH temrinal C 2 weeks ago where they play the boarding pass game. You must have it in your hand for the checker just past the WTMD who checks it for the sribbles from the podium TSO. He then made some notes on a clip board as I had requested an OO. A 2 striper came up and asked him how many that made and he said "10 in the past 30 minutes." The 2 striper replied that with summer travel here things will only get worse and then he escorted me off for my grope. ^
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by Chrisinhouston
Went through IAH temrinal C 2 weeks ago where they play the boarding pass game. You must have it in your hand for the checker just past the WTMD who checks it for the sribbles from the podium TSO. He then made some notes on a clip board as I had requested an OO. A 2 striper came up and asked him how many that made and he said "10 in the past 30 minutes." The 2 striper replied that with summer travel here things will only get worse and then he escorted me off for my grope. ^
Is that at a backscatter station? If so, do you think opt outs are much higher with those units than with mmw?
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
Is that at a backscatter station? If so, do you think opt outs are much higher with those units than with mmw?
Last time through IAH, they were all MMW.
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
Last time through IAH, they were all MMW.
Then this posting by chrisinhouston is pretty significant...esp if it marks some sort of trend.
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
Is that at a backscatter station? If so, do you think opt outs are much higher with those units than with mmw?
The only backscatter airport I frequent is PHX and the sheeple don't OO there.
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Michael El
The only backscatter airport I frequent is PHX and the sheeple don't OO there.
We just had a relative from Phoenix stay with us here in Boston the past couple of weeks before she went home yesterday. College student, female, kind of young, kind of naive, a bit of a blind Obama supporter, for that matter.

We talked very briefly about airport security as I was driving her to the airport and she said, "I'd much rather get x-rayed than let them touch me. And besides, I don't think the x-ray machines are all that bad, anyway. I don't have anything to hide."

So that was all for the conversation and I changed the subject. I wasn't going to change her mind because she had thought about it, but rather, because she just didn't care in the first place.

Unfortunately, I think her attitude is much closer to that of most typical Americans as opposed to us FT'ers.
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by cottonmather0
We talked very briefly about airport security as I was driving her to the airport and she said, "I'd much rather get x-rayed than let them touch me. And besides, I don't think the x-ray machines are all that bad, anyway. I don't have anything to hide."
She's in for one heck of a surprise the first time she has an "anomaly" followed by a false positive, and gets dragged into the broom closet and handed a paper drape.
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