Call to arms.
Jan 17, 2010, 6:48 pm
#346
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I hate to stick my nose in this ... but after a little web searching, it looks like both sides are right on this one.
In short: the rules are different for paper currency and coinage.
For paper, TSORon appears to be correct:
Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
I can't seem to find anything else that would qualify this; at face value, it looks like destroying paper currency is in fact against the law......
In short: the rules are different for paper currency and coinage.
For paper, TSORon appears to be correct:
Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
I can't seem to find anything else that would qualify this; at face value, it looks like destroying paper currency is in fact against the law......
what you are citing applies to someone deliberately and with intent (n.b. deliberately and with intent) cutting in half a piece of currency (simplest example) and bringing the currency to the fed (or agent of the fed) to obtain a whole (i.e. un-cut) bill and affects those who want to commit fraud and not those simply cutting, burning, perforating, and etc just cuz they feel like it. TSORon is wrong
Jan 18, 2010, 2:27 pm
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Because humans are the ones interpreting the data, and the more experience one has doing so the better they get at it. New X-ray operators call for lots of bag checks, and use it as a learning opportunity, the more experienced an operator is the fewer bag checks they call for and the more likely they are to catch the prohibited item.
Jan 18, 2010, 2:33 pm
#348
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Interesting that earlier you said "we" when referring to those who can't distinguish the difference.
How long have you been on the job?
Jan 18, 2010, 2:37 pm
#349
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And this is the kind of arrogance that is one prime reason that TSA looks bad. Ron, it's obvious that you're on a witch hunt when you work, based on the statements you make here and the attitude with which you make them. Assuming that other screeners are like you, and it's also obvious that your goal is NOT security of aviation, but rather a larger dragnet with the intent to chase and prosecute crime. That's not the agency's mission, but what the heck, why let things like that stop a good dragnet.
I wonder if you might be better going back to being a policeman where you will truly be able to have the power over the people.
I wonder if you might be better going back to being a policeman where you will truly be able to have the power over the people.
So, before the sensors stop in here and blast a few posts or users, I’ll leave it at this. I know my job, I’m sorry some here find that offensive. I know what I am talking about as well, and folks find that just as offensive. Oh well, get use to it, they are everywhere in life, and you cannot avoid them.
Jan 18, 2010, 2:40 pm
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1. I never said anything about destroying currency.
2. If it is in my possession, it is simply not the government's money and will never be the government's money unless I hand it to the government to pay a legal debt, usually taxes, but as I've found out, the IRS doesn't accept cash.
It may be the government's currency, but it is, in fact, my cash. The government is not permitted to have any interest in it.
Therefore, your response, as have been so many others, is a non sequitur.
2. If it is in my possession, it is simply not the government's money and will never be the government's money unless I hand it to the government to pay a legal debt, usually taxes, but as I've found out, the IRS doesn't accept cash.
It may be the government's currency, but it is, in fact, my cash. The government is not permitted to have any interest in it.
Therefore, your response, as have been so many others, is a non sequitur.
Jan 18, 2010, 2:43 pm
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You also dont seem to realize what it is that an Air Force Security Policeman does, which does not surprise me much. Most people who have not done the job dont understand it, but they can and do make assumptions.
Jan 18, 2010, 3:27 pm
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And by the way, I did command an Army MP unit so I think I might have a little knowledge about this area (so who is making the assumptions now?).
Jan 18, 2010, 4:53 pm
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And you still can't distinguish between a book and explosives.
the facts is the facts.....
And I see that you still believe that a person destroying currency is a crime, even after given the opportunity to do the research.
Wrong again, the facts is the facts...
the facts is the facts.....
And I see that you still believe that a person destroying currency is a crime, even after given the opportunity to do the research.
Wrong again, the facts is the facts...
Jan 19, 2010, 4:38 am
#356
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I didn’t say that. I said that the x-ray cannot, it’s the Operator that makes the determination.
Which you continue to get wrong. Is it that hard for you to admit that I am correct?
I was proven correct, by another poster. Is it that hard for you to admit that I am correct?
Which you continue to get wrong. Is it that hard for you to admit that I am correct?
I was proven correct, by another poster. Is it that hard for you to admit that I am correct?
Jan 19, 2010, 4:42 am
#357
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Sure I can. I choose not to, at least not any further than I already have.
Listen guys, this is getting towards the personal side and I would hate to have the admins back in here deleting posts and admonishing users because we cannot keep the conversation on topic or civil. So either stay on topic or let the thread die.
Listen guys, this is getting towards the personal side and I would hate to have the admins back in here deleting posts and admonishing users because we cannot keep the conversation on topic or civil. So either stay on topic or let the thread die.
Jan 19, 2010, 6:11 am
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And you said you were not able to make that determination.
Yet bags don't get handchecked.
And that poster was proven wrong by another poster.
Or you could do your own research, but then it is hard for you to admit you are wrong.
Care to place a wager?
Yet bags don't get handchecked.
Or you could do your own research, but then it is hard for you to admit you are wrong.
Care to place a wager?
Jan 19, 2010, 6:17 am
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