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Jan 17, 2010, 12:19 pm
#331
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Thats going to depend entirely on the circumstances. You should know, there is very little in this world that is an absolute black and white.
Jan 17, 2010, 12:26 pm
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You have a tree in your yard that you don't like so you cut it down. Illegal in some communities. You have a shed on your property and don't like it so you demolish it and find yourself with a ticket from the city.
Destroying currency looks like it is intent driven. If your intent is to render the currency unusable then it is a crime.
Destroying currency looks like it is intent driven. If your intent is to render the currency unusable then it is a crime.
Jan 17, 2010, 12:39 pm
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Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
Additionally, what if I was burning currency as a speech act, much like burning a flag, to express my disdain at U.S. policies? My intent is a political statement, not the intent to keep the money from being reissued.
Jan 17, 2010, 12:49 pm
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Jan 17, 2010, 12:57 pm
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At the same time, of course, I note that the Treasury has a service which will re-issue badly damaged currency if they can recover enough of each bill to determine what was there before it was damaged. This usually occurs in the context of accidents (fire, flood, etc.). If merely damaging the bill was subject to sanction, I doubt the recovery service would exist.
Anyways ... we're getting off track here ...
Jan 17, 2010, 1:00 pm
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And we dont discuss training. SSI. I know you are not going to like that answer, but you are just going to have to live with it.
Jan 17, 2010, 1:09 pm
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Jan 17, 2010, 1:19 pm
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To be fair to Ron ... even if various SSI documents have been leaked, that doesn't make them any less SSI. Until such time as The Powers That Be remove the SSI from those documents, TSOs like Ron can't talk about them.
Yes, it's bizarre. But TSA is hardly the first agency to have that little paradox.
Yes, it's bizarre. But TSA is hardly the first agency to have that little paradox.
Jan 17, 2010, 2:34 pm
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You cannot be prosecuted for destroying your own personal property, as long as you are not attempting commit some crime by doing so.
Destroy a single dollar bill and you can be prosecuted for destroying government property. You don’t own the cash, the government does. The government backs it, secures it to ensure that its value is not reduced by fraud or counterfeiting, guarantee’s that the face value is backed by the full weight of the US government, and that the real value that your one dollar bill represents is backed by some tangible asset.
IOW, it’s the governments cash. It represents something of value, be that time, energy, metals, or information. What it represents may be yours, but the instrument itself belongs to the government.
Destroy a single dollar bill and you can be prosecuted for destroying government property. You don’t own the cash, the government does. The government backs it, secures it to ensure that its value is not reduced by fraud or counterfeiting, guarantee’s that the face value is backed by the full weight of the US government, and that the real value that your one dollar bill represents is backed by some tangible asset.
IOW, it’s the governments cash. It represents something of value, be that time, energy, metals, or information. What it represents may be yours, but the instrument itself belongs to the government.
I wonder if you might be better going back to being a policeman where you will truly be able to have the power over the people.
Jan 17, 2010, 3:38 pm
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There is no SOP in existence that can tell you if a white powder is a WEI, or if not WEI, is or is not illegal. Since it is impossible to tell what the white powder you find during your authorized search for WEI is without a test, and you are not supposed to be looking for items that aren't WEI, if you aren't calling for an LEO every time you find a bag of white powder, aren't you indeed "making a determination of the legality of items other than WEI?" Since you are not a qualified LEO, you don't have the authority or experience to make that determination.
Jan 17, 2010, 5:41 pm
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You cannot be prosecuted for destroying your own personal property, as long as you are not attempting commit some crime by doing so.
Destroy a single dollar bill and you can be prosecuted for destroying government property. You don’t own the cash, the government does. The government backs it, secures it to ensure that its value is not reduced by fraud or counterfeiting, guarantee’s that the face value is backed by the full weight of the US government, and that the real value that your one dollar bill represents is backed by some tangible asset.
IOW, it’s the governments cash. It represents something of value, be that time, energy, metals, or information. What it represents may be yours, but the instrument itself belongs to the government.
Destroy a single dollar bill and you can be prosecuted for destroying government property. You don’t own the cash, the government does. The government backs it, secures it to ensure that its value is not reduced by fraud or counterfeiting, guarantee’s that the face value is backed by the full weight of the US government, and that the real value that your one dollar bill represents is backed by some tangible asset.
IOW, it’s the governments cash. It represents something of value, be that time, energy, metals, or information. What it represents may be yours, but the instrument itself belongs to the government.
2. If it is in my possession, it is simply not the government's money and will never be the government's money unless I hand it to the government to pay a legal debt, usually taxes, but as I've found out, the IRS doesn't accept cash.
It may be the government's currency, but it is, in fact, my cash. The government is not permitted to have any interest in it.
Therefore, your response, as have been so many others, is a non sequitur.
Jan 17, 2010, 5:45 pm
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To be fair to Ron ... even if various SSI documents have been leaked, that doesn't make them any less SSI. Until such time as The Powers That Be remove the SSI from those documents, TSOs like Ron can't talk about them.
Yes, it's bizarre. But TSA is hardly the first agency to have that little paradox.
Yes, it's bizarre. But TSA is hardly the first agency to have that little paradox.
Jan 17, 2010, 6:07 pm
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Jan 17, 2010, 6:12 pm
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