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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
(Post 37439902)
So then they should offer me a “standard” rate and an “Edit” rate as options. This is disguising the standard rate with a significant upcharge. As a “Reserve” member, I don’t even have the option to decide maybe that $200 less is of more value than the $100 credit, breakfast and upgrade.
I’m assuming my $800 AF is getting me these benefits, when in reality it is a significant upcharge. That is not above board IMHO. Whether you agree with it or not, this is exactly how it works with Amex and Capital One. If an eligible rate inclusive of additional benefits is available, that’s all you’ll see. You are not given a choice of whether to accept the benefit or not. |
Originally Posted by gudugan
(Post 37439742)
Except pvrMM3 is LTT...
$4724*8 UR = 37,792 UR $4731*23.5 MR (17.5 Titanium + 6 CC) = 111,178 MR Which is maybe a wash unless you get lucky and the hotel credits points to you (it says Marriott Eligible but there are DP of 0 EQN/points on Edit bookings) I haven't seen any data points of someone not receiving EQNs and points on stays that specifically say they're eligible. On the contrary, I've seen at least a dozen data points on r/Marriott and r/ChaseSapphire confirming that people have successfully received the EQNs and points they were supposed to get. |
Originally Posted by pvrMM3
(Post 37439915)
LOL, but that is true, I have way too many....
I was in Colorado earlier today, now I am in Minneapolis, and checking it again, now the price $485/night. So whatever it was is gone now. |
Originally Posted by SP03
(Post 37439961)
I don’t know why anyone should assume Chase or anyone will offer you the lowest price. You should always do your own comparison shopping and make your own decision.
Whether you agree with it or not, this is exactly how it works with Amex and Capital One. If an eligible rate inclusive of additional benefits is available, that’s all you’ll see. You are not given a choice of whether to accept the benefit or not. They won’t be getting many signups with that. As a reminder, I am only comparing the rates Chase is offering. Not “anyone else”. I obviously assume there are lower rates out there via other channels. This is a “Chase vs. Chase” issue. |
Bellagio - Las Vegas Edit hotel stay (Nov 16 - 18) .
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Originally Posted by nexusCFX
(Post 37436447)
Made good use of this year's credit booking Cordis Auckland for 2 nights next month, only $300 before the credit. I needed exactly 2 nights so it worked out great.
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Originally Posted by Need
(Post 37440136)
Hmmm, 2 of us saw $391/night (exact same price) earlier today and now you see it drops to $485/night and you are okay with that? You DO have too many points!
I didn't book it.... but yes I have blown about 500,000 points since the announcement, only 6.78M to go in the next 23 months |
Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
(Post 37440549)
New Chase Reserve advertising slogan: “Book with us. We’ll charge you a $200 surcharge to get $200 in benefits for your stay, all for only an $800 annual fee.”
They won’t be getting many signups with that. As a reminder, I am only comparing the rates Chase is offering. Not “anyone else”. I obviously assume there are lower rates out there via other channels. This is a “Chase vs. Chase” issue. |
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I do think our choice of language around this matters.
Some of you are not finding good value in the credit or The Edit program in general. I wish you were, but calling it things like a “scam” seems to be excessive and uncalled for. Using language like that cheapens the word “scam” and others like it which isn’t great in a time where we all need to be educated and vigilant about the many true scams and frauds out there. Not every benefit and credit is for every person and neither is every type of accommodation from roadside motel rooms all the way up to penthouse suites at the Four Seasons. Just because it isn’t for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for others. |
If you like Fairmont, I'm finding some decent value there.
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Originally Posted by jdsva
(Post 37441488)
I do think our choice of language around this matters.
Some of you are not finding good value in the credit or The Edit program in general. I wish you were, but calling it things like a “scam” seems to be excessive and uncalled for. Using language like that cheapens the word “scam” and others like it which isn’t great in a time where we all need to be educated and vigilant about the many true scams and frauds out there. Not every benefit and credit is for every person and neither is every type of accommodation from roadside motel rooms all the way up to penthouse suites at the Four Seasons. Just because it isn’t for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for others.
So overall I don't consider this as a $200 offset to the increase AF, but granted, perhaps not completely worthless |
Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 37441639)
Fair enough. "scam" is probably too strong. How about
So overall I don't consider this as a $200 offset to the increase AF, but granted, perhaps not completely worthless |
Originally Posted by SP03
(Post 37441175)
Does any company advertise that? You are setting an unrealistic expectation
They sell the value of the Reserve card as a version of getting an elite status perk for a hefty annual fee. That is absolutely how most consumers view that benefit. We are not talking about different purchase channels here, this is all under Chase’s roof and they are feeding you different rates based on your “status”, which of course conveys certain benefits just like a hotel’s elite program does. Marriott does not sell you a “Titanium” rate vs a “Silver” rate. If you have an expectation that this is okay, then you need to raise your standards. It is absolutely not okay. They are “baiting” you with an $800 annual fee to get elite benefits, and they are “switching” it by charging you extra for those benefits in the rate. |
Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
(Post 37442738)
So you think it would be above board if Marriott charged you different rates based on your status level? For a Titanium this room is $300 but if you have no status it’s $250? That is the equivalent to what Chase is doing here.
They sell the value of the Reserve card as a version of getting an elite status perk for a hefty annual fee. That is absolutely how most consumers view that benefit. We are not talking about different purchase channels here, this is all under Chase’s roof and they are feeding you different rates based on your “status”, which of course conveys certain benefits just like a hotel’s elite program does. Marriott does not sell you a “Titanium” rate vs a “Silver” rate. If you have an expectation that this is okay, then you need to raise your standards. It is absolutely not okay. They are “baiting” you with an $800 annual fee to get elite benefits, and they are “switching” it by charging you extra for those benefits in the rate. Price discrimination is common place even if you don't like it. |
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