Last edit by: percysmith
This thread is to discuss the facts and practical implications of the China ruling on airspace and Cathay crew flying through the airspace.
For non-CX impact on travel to HK, please go to this thread in HK/Macau https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hong...ns-travel.html
If you would like to discuss the political motivations or opinions on this, please go to this thread in OMNI/PR https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...-protests.html
For non-CX impact on travel to HK, please go to this thread in HK/Macau https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hong...ns-travel.html
If you would like to discuss the political motivations or opinions on this, please go to this thread in OMNI/PR https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...-protests.html
CX Banned (kind of) by China
#61
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This demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the legal system in Hong Kong. It is not within the remit of the police to make such decisions - it was the decision of a judge. Unlike China (where all state entities are subservient to the Communist Party) in Hong Kong the judiciary is independent of the police and of the prosecution (which is part of the Department of Justice).
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#63
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Stupid question. Is there any aviation / international law that prevent a country from making such ban based on their made-up ideology? Can a country ban pilots / airlines from flying through their airspace because they don't believe in serving alcohol or smoking or wearing make up or whatever? CX staff are (occasionally) protesting during off hours which is not illegal in HK. I can understand not issuing visa or banning them from entering China. But banning an airline from flying through airspace because of employee off hours activities is crazy.
Having a pilot or crew known to have anti-China sentiments will be deemed to be a risk to national security. He might suddenly think of crashing the plane into China.
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CX is a corporation and not the court, different rules might apply. For your reference my company would suspend me from my role immediately if I was charged with a criminal offense.
#65
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Just the pilot arrested for riot case, and only the pilot case:
Wasn't Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's pro-Anwar views cited against him in MH370's investigation?
CAAC's ban goes far above and beyond that, of course.
Wasn't Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's pro-Anwar views cited against him in MH370's investigation?
CAAC's ban goes far above and beyond that, of course.
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Yes countries can ban individuals flying in their airspace. Every passenger who flies over US is cleared to fly or in other words anyone on a no fly list cannot fly over the US airspace. I also think we have to look at the actual wording in which it quotes, " Illegal protests" "Violent actions" "overly radical activities". Also the Pilot was charged with rioting and furthermore CX staff had leaked a passenger manifest which involved the HK Police Football team. So I presume that the staff who took part in the legal demonstrations are not included in this and some particular staff who took part in the rioting and illegal protests are involved.
What this highlights is that the Chinese Authorities know exactly who is involved in this though they personally have not got themselves involved directly. As for CX, it is in a no win situation. Damned if they did it and damned it they didn't provide the list.
What this highlights is that the Chinese Authorities know exactly who is involved in this though they personally have not got themselves involved directly. As for CX, it is in a no win situation. Damned if they did it and damned it they didn't provide the list.
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After EVA strike, some crew made the comment in social media that she would spike the drink/food for those crew who didnt participate the strike and passengers who dont share their views.
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the reality is that it is considered as appropriate action. i even know a kindergarden kid of a police is being bullied in school. apparently, it is considered okay at some school. in fact, a vice principal of a school wrote publicly that he sincerely wish kids of black police wont survive past 7 years old
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...eased-security
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That article also says about a pilot making an announcement on the PA system about adding oil which I think is a slogan of the protestors and in reality should not be used on a flight by a pilot. I think this is another pilot that may get grounded.
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#74
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To my ear the announcement sounds generally informative and is not sloganeering, but the captain subtly voices his sympathy for the protesters at the end.
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My only question about this ruling is why CX/KA being singled out...what about other carriers with HK based crew? Does it mean that no one from HX or UO participated in the demonstrations?