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CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?

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SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class

48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.

New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding

Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
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Old May 3, 18, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by QRC3288 View Post
The grass is always greener .

Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
The other thing that contributes to the appeal of the hard shell seat is that the padding on the current economy seats is worn down. It's not as bouncy as when they were first introduced. So I get a numb bum from the current seats anyway - so I may as well get the benefits of the hard shell seat.
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Old May 3, 18, 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by QRC3288 View Post
The grass is always greener .

Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
I flew to DPS and back on a 772 last long weekend
Loved the cradle replacing the hard shell that the 73Z on the route used to have

However:
1. My travelling companions noted shouting between two broadly built passengers (a notherner and an expat) over the armrest*
2. We made extensive use of the aisle to comfort my companion's baby*
3. My seat neighbour (not our travel party) still found the pitch of insufficient length he decided to take off his sock and stick his naked foot into the magazine pocket for >half the flight (I swear I'll never use the magazine pocket to store anything I'll need to to take home again)#

*these problems are likely to worsen when the 777s goes 10-abreast (hope the 772s won't go soon)
#this problem will stay the same

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Old May 3, 18, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by triplefives View Post
The 8-abreast 787 with JL is very nice
Oh yes, that seat is even wider than what the A380 offers
Been on it once

But it's sui generis.


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Old May 3, 18, 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by QRC3288 View Post
The grass is always greener .

Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
I loved those seats as
I never need to recline
and am fairly tall

but everyone else hated it
am never sure though- everyone seems to always hate everything CX does so it is hard to say what is legitimate.
CX is the only airline that response this quickly to the market ( hard product)

but CX could fill its planes with first class suites and charge economy prices and I think people here would still claim CX is terrible....
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Old May 4, 18, 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer View Post
The choice is indeed getting thin.

I once did a two hour Y stint from DXB to RUH on an Emirates 77W, I don't even know how anyone would be able to sit there for a 12 hour flight. I have never been this cramped. And I am not a big guy. I don't understand why people book that seat a second time.
As much as I would personally wish it would not happen, I accept 10-abreast is the new normal.
This is what competitive markets should do - offer homogeneous products.

The only thing we as passengers are left to do is to make sure there really is competition.
So passengers also enjoy the benefits of densification, which is not a given.

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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
As much as I would personally wish it would not happen, I accept 10-abreast is the new normal.
This is what competitive markets should do - offer homogeneous products.

The only thing we as passengers are left to do is to make sure there really is competition.
So passengers also enjoy the benefits of densification, which is not a given.
the role of a passenger is not to make sure the is competition

Passengers merely purchase the product that gives the the best value
and if a single firm consistently give the best value over time a monopoly will result
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Old May 4, 18, 1:58 am
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Originally Posted by Kachjc View Post
and if a single firm consistently give the best value over time a monopoly will result
CX is not the cheapest supplier ex-HKG https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/show...4#post29700954


Originally Posted by Kachjc View Post
I have never seen EK tickets cheaper than CX where I am based.
anecdotal I know
I know more people who would go out of their way too book EK Y over CX Y.
Please identify where you are based to support your claim.

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Old May 8, 18, 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Kachjc View Post
if CX can fly seasonally to Christchurch - population of barely 300,000 people

There are 150 other cities it could easily fly to...

I find their planning department so weird
Are you based in NZ?
Not the first time you mentioned CHC Booking help!
Plus you're quite concerned with AIr NZ:
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CX-NZ code-share loaded; NZ HKG-AKL v. v. eligible for AM; Bag Allowance Aligned
Cathay A340 vs Air NZ 777

Originally Posted by Kachjc View Post
I have never seen EK tickets cheaper than CX where I am based.
anecdotal I know
I know more people who would go out of their way too book EK Y over CX Y

can't blame CX for this one, passengers voted with their feet to be treated worse and squashed.
This makes sense then if you're originating from NZ.
You have to deal with your own local O&D monopoly
But if you're transiting for most places you go you don't share the HKG O&D pressures we have - you can skip HKG if you can't beat CX fares into a pulp.

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Old May 8, 18, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post


Are you based in NZ?
Not the first time you mentioned CHC Booking help!
Plus you're quite concerned with AIr NZ:
NZ partners with Asia Miles
CX-NZ code-share loaded; NZ HKG-AKL v. v. eligible for AM; Bag Allowance Aligned
Cathay A340 vs Air NZ 777



This makes sense then if you're originating from NZ.
You have to deal with your own local O&D monopoly
But if you're transiting for most places you go you don't share the HKG O&D pressures we have - you can skip HKG if you can't beat CX fares into a pulp.
CX has more competitors into its hub than EK does. HKers have way more options and they are choosing to pay more to be treated worse. CX is giving people what they want.

Yes you got one country right
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Old May 8, 18, 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Kachjc View Post
CX has more competitors into its hub than EK does. HKers have way more options and they are choosing to pay more to be treated worse. CX is giving people what they want
EK isn't competing in O&D. I can say AUH and DOH face even less competition, but it would be similarly irrelevant.
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Old May 8, 18, 8:13 pm
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Now that the densified 777 is here, this thread has run its course. We can discuss experiences and reviews on this aircraft at this thread:

Densified 777 10 abreast: Reviews and Experiences

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