Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
May 3, 2018, 8:57 pm
#646
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The grass is always greener 
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Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
.Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
May 3, 2018, 10:15 pm
#647
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The grass is always greener .
Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
.Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
Loved the cradle replacing the hard shell that the 73Z on the route used to have
However:
1. My travelling companions noted shouting between two broadly built passengers (a notherner and an expat) over the armrest*
2. We made extensive use of the aisle to comfort my companion's baby*
3. My seat neighbour (not our travel party) still found the pitch of insufficient length he decided to take off his sock and stick his naked foot into the magazine pocket for >half the flight (I swear I'll never use the magazine pocket to store anything I'll need to to take home again)#
*these problems are likely to worsen when the 777s goes 10-abreast (hope the 772s won't go soon)
#this problem will stay the same
Last edited by percysmith; May 3, 2018 at 10:26 pm
May 3, 2018, 10:45 pm
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May 3, 2018, 10:51 pm
#649
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The grass is always greener .
Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
.Those seats, while not well received, were at least innovative. Somebody was trying. Hard product wise, CX does a pretty good job IMO. And when they screw up they make amends quickly. They deserve criticism in many other areas but this area I think they're particularly strong.
I never need to recline
and am fairly tall
but everyone else hated it
am never sure though- everyone seems to always hate everything CX does so it is hard to say what is legitimate.
CX is the only airline that response this quickly to the market ( hard product)
but CX could fill its planes with first class suites and charge economy prices and I think people here would still claim CX is terrible....
May 4, 2018, 1:17 am
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The choice is indeed getting thin.
I once did a two hour Y stint from DXB to RUH on an Emirates 77W, I don't even know how anyone would be able to sit there for a 12 hour flight. I have never been this cramped. And I am not a big guy. I don't understand why people book that seat a second time.
I once did a two hour Y stint from DXB to RUH on an Emirates 77W, I don't even know how anyone would be able to sit there for a 12 hour flight. I have never been this cramped. And I am not a big guy. I don't understand why people book that seat a second time.
This is what competitive markets should do - offer homogeneous products.
The only thing we as passengers are left to do is to make sure there really is competition.
So passengers also enjoy the benefits of densification, which is not a given.
Last edited by percysmith; May 4, 2018 at 1:51 am
May 4, 2018, 1:54 am
#651
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As much as I would personally wish it would not happen, I accept 10-abreast is the new normal.
This is what competitive markets should do - offer homogeneous products.
The only thing we as passengers are left to do is to make sure there really is competition.
So passengers also enjoy the benefits of densification, which is not a given.
This is what competitive markets should do - offer homogeneous products.
The only thing we as passengers are left to do is to make sure there really is competition.
So passengers also enjoy the benefits of densification, which is not a given.
Passengers merely purchase the product that gives the the best value
and if a single firm consistently give the best value over time a monopoly will result
May 4, 2018, 1:58 am
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Please identify where you are based to support your claim.
Last edited by percysmith; May 4, 2018 at 2:29 am
May 8, 2018, 7:16 pm
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Not the first time you mentioned CHC Booking help!
Plus you're quite concerned with AIr NZ:
NZ partners with Asia Miles
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post19908518
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post23279225
You have to deal with your own local O&D monopoly
But if you're transiting for most places you go you don't share the HKG O&D pressures we have - you can skip HKG if you can't beat CX fares into a pulp.
Last edited by percysmith; May 8, 2018 at 7:21 pm
May 8, 2018, 7:26 pm
#654
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Are you based in NZ?
Not the first time you mentioned CHC Booking help!
Plus you're quite concerned with AIr NZ:
NZ partners with Asia Miles
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post19908518
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...l#post23279225
This makes sense then if you're originating from NZ.
You have to deal with your own local O&D monopoly
But if you're transiting for most places you go you don't share the HKG O&D pressures we have - you can skip HKG if you can't beat CX fares into a pulp.
Yes you got one country right
May 8, 2018, 7:33 pm
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EK isn't competing in O&D. I can say AUH and DOH face even less competition, but it would be similarly irrelevant.
May 8, 2018, 8:13 pm
#656
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Now that the densified 777 is here, this thread has run its course. We can discuss experiences and reviews on this aircraft at this thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...periences.html
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