Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Jun 4, 2018, 12:23 am
#706
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
For BA and AY YQ, I observed the below patterns.
HKG-(CX)-B-(BA/AY)-HKG : No BA/AY YQ
HKG-(CX)-B-(BA/AY)-C(BA/AY)-HKG : BA/AY YQ charged for the B-C segment.
PS. No YQ for IB and LA for both of the above.
Jun 4, 2018, 1:09 am
#707
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 11
When I asked CS about this previously, they told me: (i) no no-show fee, (ii) change fee of US$40 or 4k AM can be used after the flight date to re-issue the ticket (within validity period of the entire itinerary, which I think is typically 1 year from start of your itinerary). My last flight was a KA flight though, not sure if it differs if it's another OW carrier
Jun 13, 2018, 5:59 pm
#708
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Programs: DL DM, HH Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 2,874
Is it possible to piece together an award partially, as a standard one way award, then add on the rest of it at a later date converting it to a one world award? For example, I see some of my availability now and would like to book my outbound. I'm willing to pay the one-way to get me there as-is. But if the return opens up can I keep the outbound that I had booked, add on the return, and have it price as a one-world award? Or will they need me to cancel, pay to redeposit miles, and book it as a single trip?
Right now I want to book LAX-HKG-SIN // SIN-DOH which will price out as two one ways. If I'm able to find the return at a later date DOH-XXX-XXX-LAX can I add that on to the existing trips? If I needed to cancel the outbound and rebook it as a single itinerary, will the seats I cancel open up?
Right now I want to book LAX-HKG-SIN // SIN-DOH which will price out as two one ways. If I'm able to find the return at a later date DOH-XXX-XXX-LAX can I add that on to the existing trips? If I needed to cancel the outbound and rebook it as a single itinerary, will the seats I cancel open up?
Jun 13, 2018, 8:56 pm
#709
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
Is it possible to piece together an award partially, as a standard one way award, then add on the rest of it at a later date converting it to a one world award? For example, I see some of my availability now and would like to book my outbound. I'm willing to pay the one-way to get me there as-is. But if the return opens up can I keep the outbound that I had booked, add on the return, and have it price as a one-world award? Or will they need me to cancel, pay to redeposit miles, and book it as a single trip?
Right now I want to book LAX-HKG-SIN // SIN-DOH which will price out as two one ways. If I'm able to find the return at a later date DOH-XXX-XXX-LAX can I add that on to the existing trips? If I needed to cancel the outbound and rebook it as a single itinerary, will the seats I cancel open up?
Jun 13, 2018, 9:16 pm
#710
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Programs: DL DM, HH Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 2,874
Thanks, that is sort of what I assumed on the first part. The second part about having two one ways one two PNRs makes sense and I hadn't thought it would work that way. From past experience I've found releasing booked seats tends to not release them back into inventory. If I do decide to try to reprice as a one world, I will probably make sure that seats are currently available before releasing my booked seats.
Jun 13, 2018, 11:03 pm
#711
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
Yes, you def. should! I had two one-ways which I wanted to convert into one OW multi-carrier award ticket. So I had to cancel one of them (2 pax in J with QR), which didn't result in those seats going back to the pool. Luckily I had checked beforehand and seats were available for the next day, so was able to re-book and combine it with the other one-way ticket by paying 12k miles/person as a re-ticketing fee. Now both are under one PNR and I can add segments to the itinerary by paying a re-issue fee each time but without ever releasing the seats.
Jun 14, 2018, 1:14 am
#712
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,801
Jun 14, 2018, 2:24 am
#713
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
Not true. I only added segments https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...practices.html and ended up having to take another day's QR.
Last edited by lifeonthego_k; Jun 14, 2018 at 2:35 am
Jun 16, 2018, 10:36 pm
#714
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: TPE, MNL
Programs: AA lifetime GOLD, but still an AA Baby compare to people here. CX nobody. BR Silver.
Posts: 984
Since 6/22is coming, I would like to burn all my AM for Oneworld award. Part of my schedule is over 330 days.
I have some questions about ticketing.
1. If I book now, when I change the flight date, date only not route, will AM ask me to adopt the new award table?
2. The change date fee is USD$25. Is it per change or per segment change?
3. I am thinking about the following route. Any input?
Mnl-hkg-kix-nrt-MNL-hkg-lax-ord-nrt-mnl
Thanks
I have some questions about ticketing.
1. If I book now, when I change the flight date, date only not route, will AM ask me to adopt the new award table?
2. The change date fee is USD$25. Is it per change or per segment change?
3. I am thinking about the following route. Any input?
Mnl-hkg-kix-nrt-MNL-hkg-lax-ord-nrt-mnl
Thanks
Jun 17, 2018, 1:51 am
#716
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Singapore & Globe trotting
Programs: QR Gold, ITA Club Executive, Hilton Gold, GHA Titanium, Taj Gold, Accor Gold, Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 425
Jun 18, 2018, 10:03 am
#717
Join Date: May 2016
Location: HK
Programs: IHG Spire Elite Ambassador, Hilton Diamond, Aegan Gold, British Airways Bronze
Posts: 182
I'm a bit confused. I've heard from the CS that 'You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once'. In this case, I want to do a layover in the origin city in the middle of my trip (so I depart from HKG go to europe, come back to HKG and then go to japan). Would that be accepted?
I've heard reports of people successfully pushing back against that (and the Wiki says the same) but how did you push back? Just hang up and call again?
Thanks
I've heard reports of people successfully pushing back against that (and the Wiki says the same) but how did you push back? Just hang up and call again?
Thanks
Jun 18, 2018, 10:34 am
#718
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,801
Yes. Multiple thought leaders have been pushing people to backtrack HKG more than once and achieve savings than if they redeemed multiple r/t for same routings.
AM will stop this for post-22/6 R/T but I do not believe AM has extended these changes to oneworld awards even post-22/6 https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
AM will stop this for post-22/6 R/T but I do not believe AM has extended these changes to oneworld awards even post-22/6 https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
Jun 23, 2018, 8:34 pm
#719
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: Asiamiles, HHonor,
Posts: 8
Experience sharing ...
Flew in May17 the following OW itinerary ( Business Class 140,000 Asia Miles) :
HKG - Fukuoka - HKG - London - Oslo // Bergen - London (transit) - HKG - NRT - HKG
Dragon Air Dragon Air CX BA BA CX JL JL
Flew in May17 the following OW itinerary ( Business Class 140,000 Asia Miles) :
HKG - Fukuoka - HKG - London - Oslo // Bergen - London (transit) - HKG - NRT - HKG
Dragon Air Dragon Air CX BA BA CX JL JL
Jun 23, 2018, 8:43 pm
#720
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: Asiamiles, HHonor,
Posts: 8
I obtained the following award ticket earlier this year :
HKG - SFO - HKG - YYZ // Montreal - YYZ(transit) - HKG (as one round trip ticket at 175,000 Asiamiles)
All flights in CX Business Class except the route Montreal to YYZ in Air Canada Economy
I wonder if CX will still be honoring this sort of "round trip" after the 22 June changes ...
HKG - SFO - HKG - YYZ // Montreal - YYZ(transit) - HKG (as one round trip ticket at 175,000 Asiamiles)
All flights in CX Business Class except the route Montreal to YYZ in Air Canada Economy
I wonder if CX will still be honoring this sort of "round trip" after the 22 June changes ...
Last edited by michael2K; Jun 23, 2018 at 8:48 pm Reason: forgot to include "CX"