Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
May 19, 2018, 5:45 am
#691
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
*Outside of Asia Miles, there are some rare, occasional exceptions I have heard of on joint-venture flights.
May 20, 2018, 9:12 pm
#692
Join Date: May 2018
Programs: Marco Polo, BA Executive club, SPG, Hyatt,
Posts: 65
Award flights are always* booked on the prime (operating carrier's) code. If the flight is operated by CX, only the CX code is bookable. If the flight is operated by AA, only the AA code is bookable. Whether those flights are marketed by other carriers is irrelevant.
*Outside of Asia Miles, there are some rare, occasional exceptions I have heard of on joint-venture flights.
*Outside of Asia Miles, there are some rare, occasional exceptions I have heard of on joint-venture flights.
So the 3 carrier requirement is actually 3 operator requirement (plus CX of course), and it doesn't matter whether CX has a code with say, JAL on returning flights from NRT to HKG right for the same flight?
May 21, 2018, 4:58 am
#693
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
AA*/AS is a very special exception in the MPO/AM programme. See "Important Notes" under https://www.asiamiles.com/en/earn-miles/airlines/detail.html/american-airlines. This does not apply to award flights. In terms of mileage accrual, you can only earn on flights:
1. Marketed by a OW carrier and operated by any OW carrier - MPO points and AM.
2. Marketed by CX or KA and operated by anyone, as long as it is actually a flight - Technically only AM, but MPO points have always been given.
3. Marketed by AA and operated by AS/QX - Technically only AM, but MPO points have always been given. (QX is not mentioned in the AM website, but we have not heard of report that AA*/QX is not given.)
4. Marketed by an AM partner and operated by the said partner.
Note: Eligible fare classes (buckets) are always determined by the marketing carrier.
Award fare class (bucket) is simply not loaded on code-share flights. It is impossible to book a code-share flight on award ticket. Only prime flights will (possibly) have award seats. A oneworld multi-carrier award requires 2 OW airlines other than CX / KA. If you have 3 OW airlines, one of them can be (but does not have to be) CX / KA.
May 21, 2018, 6:26 am
#694
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: London, or thereabouts
Programs: Tesco Clubcard, Heathrow Rewards, M&S Sparks, Caffè Nero, HSBC rewards... BAEC defector
Posts: 132
I have an award ticket booked with one leg being xxx-HND-HKG.
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
May 21, 2018, 8:29 am
#695
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
I have an award ticket booked with one leg being xxx-HND-HKG.
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
May 21, 2018, 12:33 pm
#696
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: HKG
Programs: BA Silver, MU Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 482
For revenue ticket, CX does not consider co-terminal airport change as a re-routing, but I'm not sure about award tickets. Others might know. However, if you are changing a transit to a stopover (if that's what you meant by "add"), this is definitely a re-routing. In any case, by changing a transit to a stopover, you would also have to pay extra airport tax.
May 21, 2018, 5:45 pm
#697
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,267
I have an award ticket booked with one leg being xxx-HND-HKG.
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
If I were to add a stopover in Tokyo, and make the leg xxx-HND (stopover) HND-HKG, I understand that would be a change of confirmed flight date, so I would be incurring a change fee of $25/40.
But if I were to change it to xxx-HND (stopover) NRT-HKG, would that be considered a change of only the flight date (as in with both HND/NRT being classified under "TYO" as I've read somewhere about different airports in the same city), or would that be considered as a change of routing, i.e. incurring a change fee of $100?
Thanks!
May 27, 2018, 3:09 am
#698
Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: AA EXP, QF Plat, Starwood Plat100, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 7
Hi All -
I would appreciate your wisdom on the following - I have an itinerary on hold that is as follows:
SYD-KULo-DOHo-ATH//HEL-BKKx-SINx-SYD
The pricing on taxes has come out at almost ~14,000 HKD for two persons (~7,000 HKD each). This seems very expensive - the only thing I can put it down to is ex-SYD I am triggering signifiant YF charges - for your benefit, carriers are as follows:
SYD-KUL (MH), KUL-DOH (QR), DOH-ATH (QR), HEL-BKK (AY), BKK-SIN (CX), SIN-SYD (QF)
It is correctly pricing at 140,000 miles but it's the surcharges that makes the current carrier / routing seem unreasonable. Would love your views on:
(a) Why are the taxes and fees so high? Could this be a mistake?
(b) Any wisdom on how to reduce this (ie. start Ex-Asia, Ex-NZ, for example, or don't stopover at this port or this port).
Thanks in advance, FTers!
I would appreciate your wisdom on the following - I have an itinerary on hold that is as follows:
SYD-KULo-DOHo-ATH//HEL-BKKx-SINx-SYD
The pricing on taxes has come out at almost ~14,000 HKD for two persons (~7,000 HKD each). This seems very expensive - the only thing I can put it down to is ex-SYD I am triggering signifiant YF charges - for your benefit, carriers are as follows:
SYD-KUL (MH), KUL-DOH (QR), DOH-ATH (QR), HEL-BKK (AY), BKK-SIN (CX), SIN-SYD (QF)
It is correctly pricing at 140,000 miles but it's the surcharges that makes the current carrier / routing seem unreasonable. Would love your views on:
(a) Why are the taxes and fees so high? Could this be a mistake?
(b) Any wisdom on how to reduce this (ie. start Ex-Asia, Ex-NZ, for example, or don't stopover at this port or this port).
Thanks in advance, FTers!
May 27, 2018, 10:11 am
#699
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1
Hello longtime lurker here. Have been wondering this - for the purpose of two non-CX/KA carriers, can I count CX and KA as two separate carriers and add 1 to the mix so to comply with the rules? Cheers
Have learnt so much from you all. Thanks for everyone for your insights throughout the years!
Have learnt so much from you all. Thanks for everyone for your insights throughout the years!
May 27, 2018, 12:48 pm
#700
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
Programs: CX Diamond, AA exExPlat, BAEC exGold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Starriott Titanium, GE
Posts: 2,966
Hello longtime lurker here. Have been wondering this - for the purpose of two non-CX/KA carriers, can I count CX and KA as two separate carriers and add 1 to the mix so to comply with the rules? Cheers
Have learnt so much from you all. Thanks for everyone for your insights throughout the years!
Have learnt so much from you all. Thanks for everyone for your insights throughout the years!
May 28, 2018, 12:08 pm
#701
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: HKG
Programs: BA Silver, MU Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 482
Hi All -
I would appreciate your wisdom on the following - I have an itinerary on hold that is as follows:
SYD-KULo-DOHo-ATH//HEL-BKKx-SINx-SYD
The pricing on taxes has come out at almost ~14,000 HKD for two persons (~7,000 HKD each). This seems very expensive - the only thing I can put it down to is ex-SYD I am triggering signifiant YF charges - for your benefit, carriers are as follows:
SYD-KUL (MH), KUL-DOH (QR), DOH-ATH (QR), HEL-BKK (AY), BKK-SIN (CX), SIN-SYD (QF)
It is correctly pricing at 140,000 miles but it's the surcharges that makes the current carrier / routing seem unreasonable. Would love your views on:
(a) Why are the taxes and fees so high? Could this be a mistake?
(b) Any wisdom on how to reduce this (ie. start Ex-Asia, Ex-NZ, for example, or don't stopover at this port or this port).
Thanks in advance, FTers!
I would appreciate your wisdom on the following - I have an itinerary on hold that is as follows:
SYD-KULo-DOHo-ATH//HEL-BKKx-SINx-SYD
The pricing on taxes has come out at almost ~14,000 HKD for two persons (~7,000 HKD each). This seems very expensive - the only thing I can put it down to is ex-SYD I am triggering signifiant YF charges - for your benefit, carriers are as follows:
SYD-KUL (MH), KUL-DOH (QR), DOH-ATH (QR), HEL-BKK (AY), BKK-SIN (CX), SIN-SYD (QF)
It is correctly pricing at 140,000 miles but it's the surcharges that makes the current carrier / routing seem unreasonable. Would love your views on:
(a) Why are the taxes and fees so high? Could this be a mistake?
(b) Any wisdom on how to reduce this (ie. start Ex-Asia, Ex-NZ, for example, or don't stopover at this port or this port).
Thanks in advance, FTers!
Jun 1, 2018, 10:27 pm
#702
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 11
Anyone knows the repercussion if we miss the last leg of the trip?
Sin - Hnd (Stopover) -JAL
Hnd - Sin (Stopover_- JAL
Sin - Hkg (Transit) - CX
Hkg - Icn (Stopover)- CX
Icn - hkg (Transit)- CX
Hkg - Sin (Open Jaw) CX
Kul - Sin - MH
Sin - Hnd (Stopover) -JAL
Hnd - Sin (Stopover_- JAL
Sin - Hkg (Transit) - CX
Hkg - Icn (Stopover)- CX
Icn - hkg (Transit)- CX
Hkg - Sin (Open Jaw) CX
Kul - Sin - MH
Last edited by Autumm; Jun 1, 2018 at 11:09 pm
Jun 3, 2018, 2:18 am
#704
Join Date: May 2017
Location: HK
Programs: MPC Diamond
Posts: 101
When I asked CS about this previously, they told me: (i) no no-show fee, (ii) change fee of US$40 or 4k AM can be used after the flight date to re-issue the ticket (within validity period of the entire itinerary, which I think is typically 1 year from start of your itinerary). My last flight was a KA flight though, not sure if it differs if it's another OW carrier
Jun 3, 2018, 8:48 pm
#705
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SIN
Programs: JL GC | Marriott LT Silver | Global Entry | SQ Silver
Posts: 6,819
I'm currently planning a RTW flight for next year in Business Class (Either Zone 10 or 11).
Would it be that much cheaper to start my flight from HKG rather than SIN?
Would it be that much cheaper to start my flight from HKG rather than SIN?