Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36549506)

The EU (plus UK, Switzerland, and other E. Europe) and US (plus Canada) are very different wrt China flying. In the case of the former, China was able to get individual states (e.g. France, Germany, Netherlands) to deal with it on a bilateral basis. Plus, you have the BNR flights, which are presumably subsidized on both ends (e.g. from China and Hungary). The short of it is that Chinese airlines have blanketed the continent at will, and European carriers have been a hard time competing. Personally, I have no problem with that; if China wants people to visit and/or its airlines want to put their planes to better use than flying back and forth between Beijing and Shanghai, more the power to them.

The US, on the other hand, has been highly protectionistic about its bilateral air services agreement with China ever since the 5 ones were retired. So, on the Chinese side, you have 50 slot pairs spread among ~7 airlines. As long as they can reap handsome profits by flying to LAX, that's the way they're going to play it.

Hong Kong is not covered by the bilateral, so CX could theoretically launch more interesting routes, and even overlfy Russia (like it does with its JFK flights), but that doing so would entail poking a lot of bears that are currently at peace (sort of). I must say that I'm impressed by the DFW move, though. I doubt that one will overfly Russia, and AA is presumably giving it some political cover anyway. The checkmate to JX angle didn't even occur to me until you guys brought it up...makes sense.

Originally Posted by dcahkg (Post 36548481)

Maybe they will come back after CX solves its aircraft shortage...

European routes can be hard to do since ME3's lower cost base makes it hard to capture transfer traffic.

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Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36549858)

you have to remember that for the sinsino phobic nations Cathay and Swire are palatable because they are British.

So I doubt Florida Republicans will have an issue

Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36552194)

Not confident the British card will always be enough in the current environment; the current status of some Republican attitudes in the US is anything and everything linked to China in any way is evil. They had the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in HK in their crosshairs just for doing his job and promoting business there. Cathay has been lucky to escape this crackdown so far.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36552604)

I'm surprised with their attitudes, the US hasn't banned CX flying over russia when flying away from JFK etc. its a huge money making route for them, so CX is fortunate, the new frequencies would also likely fly over russia, including DFW.

meanwhile the mainland airlines cannot fly over russia with their new routes.

Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36549242)

I don't know how transferring is there but some mentioned MEX for the possibility of those who wanted to avoid the US (and not just for geopolitical reasons - the whole thing with luggage and immigration during international US airport transfers is so annoying.)

Beyond Mexico, range becomes an issue so one would have to imagine fifth freedom routes.

Originally Posted by Aus106080 (Post 36552700)

if cx fly through russia for DFW route, no AA codeshare is applied. It may have adverse impact to the route.

Originally Posted by ringogringo12 (Post 36552378)

Looking to book Hong Kong - Toronto on Cathy J for 2 people for next October. When it comes to reward seats being released, should I be looking T-355 out? Will be using Asia Miles.

Also, it seems you can pool your Asia Miles balance with other people; does it work similar to Aeroplan family sharing? Or can my P2 transfer her Asia miles balance from her account to mine?

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36552604)

I'm surprised with their attitudes, the US hasn't banned CX flying over russia when flying away from JFK etc.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36552879)

DFW is a big market by itself, not to mention CX can put it's code on AA flights, just like ORD, so the same effect can still be achieved

Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36552194)

They had the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in HK in their crosshairs just for doing his job and promoting business there.

Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 36555237)

I missed that one. Can you share a link or two on that please?

XXChams in HK a) aren't officials (c.f. consulates/trade commissions); and b) promote the extratriate community's interest.
When Australian Federal Government proposed changes to Aus tax law making more Australians in HK subject to Australian tax in 2021, Auscham HK (naturally) advocated against it https://www.austcham.com.hk/sites/de...-%20Glenda.pdf . Such advocacy might be portrayed by resident Australians as tax dodging (as of present the rule changes have stalled).

If I am allowed to indulge in a bit of historical analogising, it will be akin to China Hands advising President Truman not to let KMT fall in Mainland China.

Originally Posted by gwang0618 (Post 36548449)

Glad that CX is initiating new routes, however, what about previous resumptions?

FCO, ADL, LGW, BRU (personal preference for this one), EWR, CPT etc