Gooday all,

I apologise if this has been mentioned somewhere else and I have missed it - but have CX cut out all F seats on this route? I'm looking for flights in July and can't find any F seats at all.

If anyone knows what the situation is that would be great.

Thanks for your help.

I believe so - even if you chanced on a long haul bird which had F, chances are you'd end up with an equipment swap.

AFAIK, the only intra-Asian route that has published regular F is HND. For the rest, F would be J service if ever a 74K or 77H is used

Some actually offer F regularly, like TPE and MNL. Most of the 474/475 flights to TPE I've flown are 77H with F, MNL i think has 907/906 and 901/900 also has F regularly.

I've flown F on SIN a few times, and I normally see a 77H every now and then but I don't think its on a regular basis.

Every now and then F will appear as bookable if they know in advance a 77H will be operating. Rare though and very likely to be swapped out.

Wow....I think of SIN as like the Zurich of Asia...I can't believe there isn't high demand, unless all the money management firms are so big that they don't allow paid F?

And yet somehow Manila and Taipei have higher paid F demand? That HKG-TPE flight in F is among the best 1 hour F flights in the air.

I am more blown away that there's no F to/from:

Tokyo (except for one HND flight -- does JL even have an F flight...I used to enjoy 6pm NRT-HKG in F).
SYD/MEL???

Anyone have any perspectives on whats going on that's causing this?

I suppose it all boils down to frame utilization. SIN, being 3.5 hours (4 hours padded) away, may sit out a craft if there are unplanned delays, whereas MNL and TPE are about 100 and 80 minutes respectively

i had a few flights sin-hkg in J, when i choose my seats i believe they begin with 1x row and definitely not single digit. Does that mean that there is going to be equipment swap or are there more J seats upfront that i am not aware of?

CX and KA J starts with row 11 regardless of aircraft type

CX has two flights to HND with F (542-548), generally one 744 and one 77W. Business pax fly to HND not NRT, so no point having a plane with F to NRT. But there is not much demand for F, so fares are just a bit higher than the regular J fare.

There are two types of planes flying F regionally. The old 744s which do not fly LH anymore and the occasional LH 777 given that their schedule is a night flight so available during day. Given the excellent quality of the new J product (and corporate cost-cutting), the LH demand for F has been reduced, so there are less ac with F and therefore less ac available for regional flights with F.
And as CXFlyerBoy mentioned, the LH frames can more easily be sent to nearby destinations as destinations with a long regional flight make it more uncertain in case of delay.

Is there anything for row 1-10 or it just begin with row 11?

J cabins starts with row 1x. If CX uses 744 or 77H, there can be rows 1-4 or 1-2 (F sold as J). They may not be available to everyone though.

MNL and TPE feed long haul F traffic into HKG. SIN much less so as they have a good airline themselves.