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kar don Dec 21, 2018 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 30562001)
Your AA membership doesn't count for anything when doing Asia Miles upgrades, that's not right. Asia Miles reps are notorious on here for telling people stupid things that aren't right.

Loading is here
F2 A2 J9 C9 D9 I2 W9 R2 E0 Y9 B9 H9
K9 M9 L9 V9 S0 N0 Q0 O0

I don't know how to interpret that....cheapo PEY sold out, but I fare also only 2 seats left. I guess it looks good?

Fwiw it seems like from people posting here, PEY generally has the best odds of op-ups, and by extension I would think PEY->biz Asia Miles upgrades should have a decent chance. The reason is the PEY cabin tends to be elite (in-particular CX elite) light.

very interesting...they claimed AAdvantage helped. Good to know! Maybe i should try and earn status on MPC

four.3.two.1 Dec 22, 2018 7:43 am

Could someone please advise the flight loads for CX162 (SYD-HKG) for 28th Dec? I have an E class ticket in PEY and am MCP silver - just wondering what the chances of an op-up to biz might be!
Thanks in advance!!

seeyouatthepier Dec 24, 2018 12:43 am

Hello all, was wondering if I could get an idea on the loading for CX170 (Per-HK) 29th December 7:35AM. I'm sitting in R hoping to use Asia Miles to upgrade. MCP Gold. wondering if I should start hounding them now or later on the phone or closer to date.

synthkeys Dec 24, 2018 7:05 am


Originally Posted by seeyouatthepier (Post 30569334)
Hello all, was wondering if I could get an idea on the loading for CX170 (Per-HK) 29th December 7:35AM. I'm sitting in R hoping to use Asia Miles to upgrade. MCP Gold. wondering if I should start hounding them now or later on the phone or closer to date.

I'm seeing this on EF - J8 C6 D7 I7 W1 R0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0

Looks like a good chance for op-up. I'd think an upgrade with miles should be possible. Depends on if CX thinks theres a chance of wooing revenue pax for paid I class tickets. But with I7 I would think MPC would confirm. If you want to burn the miles, I'd call every day to try for a confirmation. I'd also think instant upgrade very possible if that fails.

seeyouatthepier Dec 24, 2018 7:10 am


Originally Posted by synthkeys (Post 30569839)
I'm seeing this on EF - J8 C6 D7 I7 W1 R0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0

Looks like a good chance for op-up. I'd think an upgrade with miles should be possible. Depends on if CX thinks theres a chance of wooing revenue pax for paid I class tickets. But with I7 I would think MPC would confirm. If you want to burn the miles, I'd call every day to try for a confirmation. I'd also think instant upgrade very possible if that fails.

Thank you so much. I did notice I couldn't pick my seat which as a person without access to the seating I 'think' is a good sign of op-up, unless everyone else next to me is a Diamond, may never know! I'll try call tomorrow and day by day hopefully get it. Thanks for taking the time to check for me :)

synthkeys Dec 24, 2018 7:15 am


Originally Posted by four.3.two.1 (Post 30564370)
Could someone please advise the flight loads for CX162 (SYD-HKG) for 28th Dec? I have an E class ticket in PEY and am MCP silver - just wondering what the chances of an op-up to biz might be!
Thanks in advance!!

EF is shows this -- J9 C9 D9 I9 W2 R1 E1 Y1 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0

I think its borderline chance for op-up. No way to know how many elites in front of you and 4 PE seats left. Even though only Y1, I'm seeing a fair amount of empty Y cabin seats on the seat map. Not sure if that's because the seats haven't been allocated yet. A little closer to depart date, EF should be showing seat blocks. This time of year there may be good possibility of over booking Y cabin.

four.3.two.1 Dec 24, 2018 3:06 pm

Thank you so much! Keeping fingers crossed! ;) If there are diamonds in economy, could they get preference to upgrade straight to biz, or is op up usually a 1 class upgrade too?

QRC3288 Dec 24, 2018 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by four.3.two.1 (Post 30571107)
Thank you so much! Keeping fingers crossed! ;) If there are diamonds in economy, could they get preference to upgrade straight to biz, or is op up usually a 1 class upgrade too?

op-up is one class. they would be bumped to PEY.

In general, from what I read on here it seems like PEY is the sweet spot for non-CX elites or lower tier elites to get op-ups. The dynamic of one-class upgrades (for the most part) is the reason why.

cxfan1960 Dec 26, 2018 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by four.3.two.1 (Post 30571107)
Thank you so much! Keeping fingers crossed! ;) If there are diamonds in economy, could they get preference to upgrade straight to biz, or is op up usually a 1 class upgrade too?

Only one class operational upgrade, unless, I guess if business is so undersold and Y is so oversold that there are more than 34 (?) op-ups from Y.

Adgwn Dec 30, 2018 5:19 pm

Flight loads CX198 AKL-HKG Sunday 6 Jan 2019 and CX321 HKG-BCN Monday 7 January 2019
 
Hi, could anyone please advise loading across all classes CX198 AKL-HKG Sunday 6 Jan 2019 and CX321 HKG-BCN Monday 7 January 2019

percysmith Dec 31, 2018 12:44 am


Originally Posted by Adgwn (Post 30589496)
Hi, could anyone please advise loading across all classes CX198 AKL-HKG Sunday 6 Jan 2019 and CX321 HKG-BCN Monday 7 January 2019

CX198 J1 I0 W1 E0 Y1 B0
CX321 J1 I0 W1 E0 Y1 B0

Nobody's moving. If you have status you might rank for cannibalisation opup

cgo Dec 31, 2018 12:46 am

anyone have access to EF inventories on cx238 (LHR to HKG), 4jan and cx566 (HKG to KIX), 6 jan. I am booked in M class, and CX silver.

percysmith Dec 31, 2018 1:09 am


Originally Posted by cgo (Post 30590387)
anyone have access to ef inventories on cx238 (lhr to hkg), 4jan and cx566 (hkg to kix), 6 jan. I am booked in m class, and cx silver.

J0 W4 E0 Y8 H0
J1 I0 W1 E0 Y4 H0

Front sold out

cgo Dec 31, 2018 1:31 am


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 30590427)


J0 W4 E0 Y8 H0
J1 i0 W1 E0 Y4 H0

Front sold out

cheers!
Still hoping for the unlikely chance of upgrade

fakecd Dec 31, 2018 2:18 am


Originally Posted by cgo (Post 30590464)


cheers!
Still hoping for the unlikely chance of upgrade

no u have better luck on instant stractch lotto that pays 3k usd to buy ur upgrade

thats return to work travel peak. J loading of 0 and 1 means filled with pax whos schedule are fixed, unlike other times when there is business trips travel with flexibility. so expect all J to turn up.

Adgwn Jan 3, 2019 12:11 pm

Updated loadings CX198 AKL-HKG Sunday 6 Jan & CX321 HKG-BCN Monday 7 January 2019
 
Hi, could anyone please advise updated loadings across all classes and all booking categories, CX198 AKL-HKG Sunday 6 Jan 2019 and CX321 HKG-BCN Monday 7 January 2019

cgo Jan 5, 2019 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 30590571)
no u have better luck on instant stractch lotto that pays 3k usd to buy ur upgrade

thats return to work travel peak. J loading of 0 and 1 means filled with pax whos schedule are fixed, unlike other times when there is business trips travel with flexibility. so expect all J to turn up.


i was upgraded from economy to premium eco on the hkg to kix leg. It is not much, but hey, a freeebie is always fun. I would have loved the longer heathrow upgrade, since they made use of the 3-4-3 b777s. It is quite a squeeze. But still, it is very nice to get free things

HaikalS Jan 9, 2019 3:33 pm

When can you apply the instant upgrade?

Tried to do so just now and was asked to come back to the lounge desk at 1.5 hours before the flight

Thanks!

triplefives Jan 10, 2019 2:28 am

On a recent longhaul flight, wife and I booked separate tickets (hers on CX, mine on AA). She's MPC Silver, I am OWE. She got upgraded to PE from Y - nothing special for me with an AA ticket on CX metal. I do fly on CX way more than she does so it shouldn't be a "CIV" score thing.

Out of curiosity, we asked nicely if Silver should get preference over OWE and didn't get a straight answer (CX staff out of SFO is pretty clueless - one even said MPC Silver is higher than OWE (no proof one way or another but I remember seeing a chart on FT that surmises OWE should having higher priority over MPC Silver).

Usually, there's no way of knowing who got upgraded to what via which status they're holding so the results were somewhat interesting, but my suspicion is the difference with the ticket stock was the difference maker here.

QRC3288 Jan 10, 2019 2:51 am

Very interesting anecdote @triplefives above

synthkeys Jan 10, 2019 7:05 am


Originally Posted by HaikalS (Post 30633868)
When can you apply the instant upgrade?

Tried to do so just now and was asked to come back to the lounge desk at 1.5 hours before the flight

Thanks!

It depends on what the agents are told from the office. I've converted instant upgrade at check-in desk before, but other times have been told its too early and to try in the lounge, once had to wait until 1 hour before departure time. I guess they want to wait for all possible revenue pax before upgrade conversion.

cxfan1960 Jan 10, 2019 11:37 am


Originally Posted by triplefives (Post 30635643)
On a recent longhaul flight, wife and I booked separate tickets (hers on CX, mine on AA). She's MPC Silver, I am OWE. She got upgraded to PE from Y - nothing special for me with an AA ticket on CX metal. I do fly on CX way more than she does so it shouldn't be a "CIV" score thing.

Out of curiosity, we asked nicely if Silver should get preference over OWE and didn't get a straight answer (CX staff out of SFO is pretty clueless - one even said MPC Silver is higher than OWE (no proof one way or another but I remember seeing a chart on FT that surmises OWE should having higher priority over MPC Silver).

Usually, there's no way of knowing who got upgraded to what via which status they're holding so the results were somewhat interesting, but my suspicion is the difference with the ticket stock was the difference maker here.

I also remember that OWE used to be between GO and SL, but I saw another lately that SL was ahead of OWE. You are probably right. Ticket stock may also make the difference. AFAIK, CIV score is only a tie-breaker.

Si99 Jan 10, 2019 10:11 pm

Upgrade Possibility
 
I'm booked on an economy class Cathay BOM-HKG-BOM flight this month. Booking classes are Q and N. Is there any possibility to get an upgrade to Business class, via either outright purchase or through using miles (which I would have to purchase/obtain)?

I am looking for a dream scenario where I am able to upgrade for a cpl hundred $. Thanks.

Oneworldflyer64 Jan 11, 2019 2:39 am


Originally Posted by Si99 (Post 30639781)
I'm booked on an economy class Cathay BOM-HKG-BOM flight this month. Booking classes are Q and N. Is there any possibility to get an upgrade to Business class, via either outright purchase or through using miles (which I would have to purchase/obtain)?

I am looking for a dream scenario where I am able to upgrade for a cpl hundred $. Thanks.

The short answer is no. Q and N are discount Econ I believe and you would need a flex ticket or an upgradeable econ ticket (I forgot the minimum booking class, but its definitely not Q and N) to use miles to get an upgrade.

etkuo Jan 11, 2019 4:21 am


Originally Posted by Si99 (Post 30639781)
I'm booked on an economy class Cathay BOM-HKG-BOM flight this month. Booking classes are Q and N. Is there any possibility to get an upgrade to Business class, via either outright purchase or through using miles (which I would have to purchase/obtain)?

I am looking for a dream scenario where I am able to upgrade for a cpl hundred $. Thanks.

The lowest fare class that is miles upgradeable is M. Cathay Economy fare classes in order are Y B H K M L V S N Q.

Also, you can only use miles to upgrade one class. So from Economy you would only be able to upgrade to Premium Economy. (Unless your destination has no Premium Economy)

In general there is no cheap way to upgrade to business on Cathay. If you want Business you will have to pay the fare difference, or at the minimum buy an (quite a bit more) expensive ticket and then use (quite a number of) miles to upgrade (and hope that CX releases upgrade availabilities).

HKGEDI Jan 11, 2019 8:53 am

Could someone please advise the flight loads for CX255 on 20th Jan? Thank you very much

dddc Jan 11, 2019 11:33 am

What about the upgrade bid process?

I've only just come across this a couple of weeks ago. Is this available to all ticket classes? I have a 2 x 2 sectors Q class flights coming up next month (LGW-HKG-BNE, MEL-HKG-LGW) and currently when I put my reference number in, it says:


Unfortunately your trip is not eligible at this time.
Does this mean it's too early or not eligible at all? Do you bid per sector (eg LGW-HKG, HKG-BNE) or the whole through route? Do you bid for both out and in bound flights?

Looking at the FAQs, if I join Asia Miles or the Marco Polo club, my chance "may" be better for an upgrade, but I want to credit my miles to BA (paltry at 25%, but still better in that scheme than one I'd only realistically use once or twice a year). So, would I be able to switch crediting to BA after the upgrade period closes, ie the day before the flight say?

Also, with the comment about original fare paid, would that mean someone on a Q class ticket would need to bid more than someone on an M or full Y ticket? The difference between what I paid and the current PE price is more than what I would pay but I would consider the price of the exit row seats or around that to be something I would consider. To me, that's the opportunity cost of PE. But the general impression I'm getting is that the upgrades go to those who basically pay the fare difference to the next cabin. Would people concur with that?

sscywong Jan 11, 2019 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by dddc (Post 30641927)
What about the upgrade bid process?

I've only just come across this a couple of weeks ago. Is this available to all ticket classes? I have a 2 x 2 sectors Q class flights coming up next month (LGW-HKG-BNE, MEL-HKG-LGW) and currently when I put my reference number in, it says:

Does this mean it's too early or not eligible at all?

T and C of Upgrade Bid


B. Eligibility

  1. Participation in Upgrade Bid promotion is by invitation only and Cathay has the right to determine eligibility at its sole and absolute discretion. Not all passengers will be extended an invitation.
    Only passengers with confirmed ticket documentation purchased for travel with Cathay under select booking classes may be eligible to make an offer in Upgrade Bid, for the opportunity to upgrade from the cabin class originally purchased to the next higher cabin class (“Offer”)

AFAIK Q is not included in that "selection"

dddc Jan 12, 2019 5:07 am


Originally Posted by sscywong (Post 30644245)
T and C of Upgrade Bid



AFAIK Q is not included in that "selection"

I had a feeling that may be the case, I just wish they published it somewhere so that it was black and white. However I wonder if they keep it vague so that they can offer it to Q class if they have exhausted the other classes without any/sufficient offers. It would make sense to maximise revenue by exploiting opportunities where possible and modern technology should be able to make that happen right up to boarding at the gate. However I understand from a logistics point of view that may not always be possible and there are others that think it somehow "cheapens" the cabin to allow discount upgraders. Not sure how they'd know unless the pax made a spectacle of themselves!

kar don Jan 14, 2019 5:02 pm

How does my shot at an op-up look on these flights. AA plat (OW sapphire) on an E fare

MAA to HKG
J9 C7 D4 I1 W2 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0


CX 8840HKG
01/26/19 12:45 PMLAX
01/26/19 9:15 AM77W
F4 A4 J9 C7 D4 I1 W2 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

cxfan1960 Jan 15, 2019 11:25 am


Originally Posted by kar don (Post 30655008)
How does my shot at an op-up look on these flights. AA plat (OW sapphire) on an E fare

MAA to HKG
J9 C7 D4 I1 W2 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0


CX 8840HKG
01/26/19 12:45 PMLAX
01/26/19 9:15 AM77W
F4 A4 J9 C7 D4 I1 W2 R0 E0 Y9 B9 H9K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

For MAA to HKG, chance is slim. It is W2 R0 E0 because of the married segment CX884. It is in fact W9 R9 E9. For CX884, it is difficult to say. There are potentially many CX elites and AA EXP on that route.

kar don Jan 15, 2019 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 30657993)
For MAA to HKG, chance is slim. It is W2 R0 E0 because of the married segment CX884. It is in fact W9 R9 E9. For CX884, it is difficult to say. There are potentially many CX elites and AA EXP on that route.

interesting! Would CX be able to change my MAA to HKG to an R fare to use asia miles for an upgrade (obv for $$$)

StatusChallenged Jan 22, 2019 9:39 pm

Bought the SFO-HKG PE sale on black friday which booked into E fare. On return flight, was upgraded to J, as OWE on A350 (CX 892). Flight to HKG J looked full, when I was upgraded on my return flight there were 3 empty seats. This was done on the day of, my online checkin the day before still reflected my PE seat. Probably helped to have a weekday return versus a weekend.

andersonCooper Jan 23, 2019 10:18 am

So...CX made a video about this. LOL


kar don Jan 23, 2019 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by StatusChallenged (Post 30688872)
Bought the SFO-HKG PE sale on black friday which booked into E fare. On return flight, was upgraded to J, as OWE on A350 (CX 892). Flight to HKG J looked full, when I was upgraded on my return flight there were 3 empty seats. This was done on the day of, my online checkin the day before still reflected my PE seat. Probably helped to have a weekday return versus a weekend.

I am guessing your profile is old then? Shows AA plat..

Was PE completely 0'ed out?

olouie Jan 23, 2019 3:50 pm

Expert flyer has been all wonky lately with CX. Was flying SFO-HKG-SFO in PE. Showed almost full on way out then around a day left 9+ open in each cabin. I verified I could at least book 6 seats in any cabin, but arriving at airport staff said it was fully booked (while they were still selling tickets online). Same thing on way back. Return ended up overbooked in Y and PE and my wife and I got upgraded to J. Walked back to PE to see at least 2 open seats left. Must have had some last minute no shows or something strange was going on with seat management. At least we got to keep the upgrade :-)

kar don Jan 23, 2019 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by olouie (Post 30692271)
Expert flyer has been all wonky lately with CX. Was flying SFO-HKG-SFO in PE. Showed almost full on way out then around a day left 9+ open in each cabin. I verified I could at least book 6 seats in any cabin, but arriving at airport staff said it was fully booked (while they were still selling tickets online). Same thing on way back. Return ended up overbooked in Y and PE and my wife and I got upgraded to J. Walked back to PE to see at least 2 open seats left. Must have had some last minute no shows or something strange was going on with seat management. At least we got to keep the upgrade :-)

What status level are you?

olouie Jan 23, 2019 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by kar don (Post 30692348)
What status level are you?

AA EXP / CX Silver. Trip was on AA so EXP/OWE.

kaka Jan 24, 2019 3:06 am


Originally Posted by olouie (Post 30692271)
Expert flyer has been all wonky lately with CX. Was flying SFO-HKG-SFO in PE. Showed almost full on way out then around a day left 9+ open in each cabin. I verified I could at least book 6 seats in any cabin, but arriving at airport staff said it was fully booked (while they were still selling tickets online). Same thing on way back. Return ended up overbooked in Y and PE and my wife and I got upgraded to J. Walked back to PE to see at least 2 open seats left. Must have had some last minute no shows or something strange was going on with seat management. At least we got to keep the upgrade :-)

not ur fault nor ef. cx is messing with their inventory lately. it happened a few times when i saw all 9s from FAJ to MLV.... (f4a4) the day before but went into a full plane.

otoh, maybe a tour group missed a connection

CXFlyerBoy Jan 24, 2019 8:00 am

Ticketed R for CX 690 31 Jan and CX 659 4 Feb.
Gunning for a W>J upgrade but told the outbound is waitlisted when they are still selling I both ways with 4 seats left. E is still selling for the outbound. Inbound is cleared. Wonder what's up with CX redemption inventory


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