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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 12:23 am
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looks like this will be the next long haul to North America!!!!!! nice connections to Latin America- hope they go through with this

so yeah no Seattle or Miami yet


"Mr Chu said Cathay was evaluating was Dallas/Forth Worth."
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 8:36 am
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Agreed, This would be awesome...direct to Dallas then direct to Costa Rica.
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 11:21 am
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DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by incognitoMD
DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.
Id rather see AA use its limited fleet to fly to other parts of Asia considering it already has a partner in Hong Kong
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by incognitoMD
DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.
DFW has a huge Chinese population, a great amount of Hong Kong/Taiwan residents. I have many relatives that live down there that flies to Taiwan/Hong Kong two to three times a year. They all lament the fact CX doesn't fly there, and although I'm sure CX will be pricier than AA but the fact that it will be non-stop with great service and all of them will jump over, and I'm sure plenty of other Asian population that is served by DFW feels the same way too.
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 6:05 pm
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Many Vietnamese Americans live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I think CX would hit a home run with this route.
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 10:08 pm
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i genuinely believe HK should fly direct to Montreal as per my wish I'd book out every seat in the CX premium cabin had it been flown empty.
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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 11:56 pm
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Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades.
I think this is precisely whey AA can't start the route. Also why they can't start DFW/LAX -SYD/AKL. Probably also what helped to kill ORD-DEL.

When one route stands out as longer than all others by a good amount, everyone is going to save their SWU's for it. With the new 1-2-1 J configuration (and 3-4-3 econ) each J seat is taking up the space of ~6 Y seats. So if the flight is ultra-long-haul (high fuel costs), and 50% of the J cabin is free upgrades on deeply discounted Y tickets, it will be VERY hard for AA to make money on the flight.

If AA starts DFW-HKG the J cabin is going to be full of pax connecting from lax/jfk/ord just so they can use a SWU. And if their upgrades don't clear they'll ..... and moan (and possibly be stuck in 3-4-3) and possibly decide to switch to UA/DL.
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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 12:53 am
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I don't think this is a real consideration. SWUs are obviously capacity controlled, and AA can release as many seats as they see fit.
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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 2:34 am
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HKG - DFW would become my primary route to North America. Hope this turns into reality. ^
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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by AZbba
I think this is precisely whey AA can't start the route. Also why they can't start DFW/LAX -SYD/AKL. Probably also what helped to kill ORD-DEL.
Nah, -- they only authorize as many SWUs on a flight as they want to. Looking for reasons why AA has problems with very long flights like ORD/DEL? Don't forget negotiating with the pilot's union.
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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 10:52 pm
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For an example, AA's LAX-LHR on its new 77W is a very difficult route for an SWU to be confirmed in advance. Much more tightly controlled than, say, ORD-NRT on a summer day.

If AA were to have DFW-HKG on a 77W or 772, I am sure upgrades would be tightly controlled, like LAX-LHR. And that is fine with me. In my opinion, AA filling the J/F cabin with last minute SWU upgrades is a much better outcome than letting those seats go out empty. There is obviously not much of exceptional service to be had on AA. I would be happy with just the seat.

And if AA were to start DFW-HKG on a 77W, we would then be talking identical J seats on CX's 77W and AA's 77W.
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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by incognitoMD
For an example, AA's LAX-LHR on its new 77W is a very difficult route for an SWU to be confirmed in advance. Much more tightly controlled than, say, ORD-NRT on a summer day.

If AA were to have DFW-HKG on a 77W or 772, I am sure upgrades would be tightly controlled, like LAX-LHR. And that is fine with me. In my opinion, AA filling the J/F cabin with last minute SWU upgrades is a much better outcome than letting those seats go out empty. There is obviously not much of exceptional service to be had on AA. I would be happy with just the seat.

And if AA were to start DFW-HKG on a 77W, we would then be talking identical J seats on CX's 77W and AA's 77W.
and worse First /premium economy and economy seats ( 10 across)

and a worse soft product across the board

not to mention an annoyed CX who is not very close to OW anyway!!
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 5:17 pm
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it will be good for CX to add HKG-DFW, but AA is too strong in DFW that brings everyone's concern
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Old Aug 30, 2013 | 12:17 am
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it will be good for CX to add HKG-DFW, but AA is too strong in DFW that brings everyone's concern
what concern?- it is a OW partner that is committed to OW

if anything AA should be concerned if it plans on launching a route to HKG conisdering CX is a OW partner that frankly does not care about OW

also where was the concern when QF launched the route

AA should be more concerned about EK than any OW partner

If OW loses CX they would lose their dominance in the corporate market
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