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Kachjc Aug 26, 2013 12:23 am

Dallas
 
looks like this will be the next long haul to North America!!!!!! nice connections to Latin America- hope they go through with this

so yeah no Seattle or Miami yet


"Mr Chu said Cathay was evaluating was Dallas/Forth Worth."
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...fw-next-123357

in other news Cathay is New York's fifth largest foreign airline!!!

AussieCR Aug 26, 2013 8:36 am

Agreed, This would be awesome...direct to Dallas then direct to Costa Rica.

incognitoMD Aug 26, 2013 11:21 am

DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.

Kachjc Aug 26, 2013 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by incognitoMD (Post 21338254)
DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.

Id rather see AA use its limited fleet to fly to other parts of Asia considering it already has a partner in Hong Kong

Cathay Boy Aug 26, 2013 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by incognitoMD (Post 21338254)
DFW-HKG would be an amazing route for oneworld. It has been rumored for a while.

Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades. But either way, its a win-win outcome for customers of oneworld if either CX or AA starts DFW-HKG service.

DFW has a huge Chinese population, a great amount of Hong Kong/Taiwan residents. I have many relatives that live down there that flies to Taiwan/Hong Kong two to three times a year. They all lament the fact CX doesn't fly there, and although I'm sure CX will be pricier than AA but the fact that it will be non-stop with great service and all of them will jump over, and I'm sure plenty of other Asian population that is served by DFW feels the same way too.

mach92 Aug 26, 2013 6:05 pm

Many Vietnamese Americans live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I think CX would hit a home run with this route.

kaka Aug 26, 2013 10:08 pm

i genuinely believe HK should fly direct to Montreal as per my wish :) I'd book out every seat in the CX premium cabin had it been flown empty.

AZbba Aug 26, 2013 11:56 pm


Originally Posted by incognitoMD (Post 21338254)
Personally though, I would rather see it operated by AA, as its footprint in Asia is a bit lacking, and it would be a great route to utilize systemwide upgrades.

I think this is precisely whey AA can't start the route. Also why they can't start DFW/LAX -SYD/AKL. Probably also what helped to kill ORD-DEL.

When one route stands out as longer than all others by a good amount, everyone is going to save their SWU's for it. With the new 1-2-1 J configuration (and 3-4-3 econ) each J seat is taking up the space of ~6 Y seats. So if the flight is ultra-long-haul (high fuel costs), and 50% of the J cabin is free upgrades on deeply discounted Y tickets, it will be VERY hard for AA to make money on the flight.

If AA starts DFW-HKG the J cabin is going to be full of pax connecting from lax/jfk/ord just so they can use a SWU. And if their upgrades don't clear they'll ..... and moan (and possibly be stuck in 3-4-3) and possibly decide to switch to UA/DL.

B-HQC Aug 27, 2013 12:53 am

I don't think this is a real consideration. SWUs are obviously capacity controlled, and AA can release as many seats as they see fit.

mosburger Aug 27, 2013 2:34 am

HKG - DFW would become my primary route to North America. Hope this turns into reality. ^

Dr. HFH Aug 27, 2013 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by AZbba (Post 21342053)
I think this is precisely whey AA can't start the route. Also why they can't start DFW/LAX -SYD/AKL. Probably also what helped to kill ORD-DEL.

Nah, -- they only authorize as many SWUs on a flight as they want to. Looking for reasons why AA has problems with very long flights like ORD/DEL? Don't forget negotiating with the pilot's union.

incognitoMD Aug 27, 2013 10:52 pm

For an example, AA's LAX-LHR on its new 77W is a very difficult route for an SWU to be confirmed in advance. Much more tightly controlled than, say, ORD-NRT on a summer day.

If AA were to have DFW-HKG on a 77W or 772, I am sure upgrades would be tightly controlled, like LAX-LHR. And that is fine with me. In my opinion, AA filling the J/F cabin with last minute SWU upgrades is a much better outcome than letting those seats go out empty. There is obviously not much of exceptional service to be had on AA. I would be happy with just the seat.

And if AA were to start DFW-HKG on a 77W, we would then be talking identical J seats on CX's 77W and AA's 77W.

Kachjc Aug 27, 2013 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by incognitoMD (Post 21348263)
For an example, AA's LAX-LHR on its new 77W is a very difficult route for an SWU to be confirmed in advance. Much more tightly controlled than, say, ORD-NRT on a summer day.

If AA were to have DFW-HKG on a 77W or 772, I am sure upgrades would be tightly controlled, like LAX-LHR. And that is fine with me. In my opinion, AA filling the J/F cabin with last minute SWU upgrades is a much better outcome than letting those seats go out empty. There is obviously not much of exceptional service to be had on AA. I would be happy with just the seat.

And if AA were to start DFW-HKG on a 77W, we would then be talking identical J seats on CX's 77W and AA's 77W.

and worse First /premium economy and economy seats ( 10 across)

and a worse soft product across the board

not to mention an annoyed CX who is not very close to OW anyway!!

lisa2926 Aug 29, 2013 5:17 pm

it will be good for CX to add HKG-DFW, but AA is too strong in DFW that brings everyone's concern

Kachjc Aug 30, 2013 12:17 am


Originally Posted by lisa2926 (Post 21359795)
it will be good for CX to add HKG-DFW, but AA is too strong in DFW that brings everyone's concern

what concern?- it is a OW partner that is committed to OW

if anything AA should be concerned if it plans on launching a route to HKG conisdering CX is a OW partner that frankly does not care about OW

also where was the concern when QF launched the route

AA should be more concerned about EK than any OW partner

If OW loses CX they would lose their dominance in the corporate market


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