Our first F is spoiled
Jul 27, 2009, 11:37 am
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Jul 27, 2009, 11:49 am
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Wow, big difference in exUS pricing vc exEUR pricing...
Test date August 25th. From UK and GER for honest comparisson. Prices in Euro.
LHR-LAX-LHR
BA = 7442
LH = 9113
FRA-LAX-LHR
BA = 6389
LH = 10899
LAX-LHR-LAX
BA = 9011
LH = 13004
LAX-FRA-LAX
BA = 10926
LH = 12774 (*not sure if this is LH metal)
More than 100% difference on this route:
FRA-NRT on LH = 12144
LHR-NRT on BA = 5561
A clear win for LH on this route though.
LAX-LHR-SIN on BA = 13530
LAX-FRA-SIN on LH = 9287*
*Some of the cheaper LH fares you find are actually flown on other *A partners.
Test date August 25th. From UK and GER for honest comparisson. Prices in Euro.
LHR-LAX-LHR
BA = 7442
LH = 9113
FRA-LAX-LHR
BA = 6389
LH = 10899
LAX-LHR-LAX
BA = 9011
LH = 13004
LAX-FRA-LAX
BA = 10926
LH = 12774 (*not sure if this is LH metal)
More than 100% difference on this route:
FRA-NRT on LH = 12144
LHR-NRT on BA = 5561
A clear win for LH on this route though.
LAX-LHR-SIN on BA = 13530
LAX-FRA-SIN on LH = 9287*
*Some of the cheaper LH fares you find are actually flown on other *A partners.
Last edited by henkybaby; Jul 27, 2009 at 11:56 am
Jul 27, 2009, 11:53 am
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This is the opposite journey from the OP's (he originated in LAX) and he also was not making connecting flights into/out of EUR (which admittedly locks him to BA if he's going to London).
Ex-LHR I see BA coming out cheaper than LH in full F (which surprises me a little) but LH also offers an A fare for $3000 less than BA out of LHR, presumably to try to attract passengers willing to connect.
Ex-FRA LH is much much more expensive (big surprise there
) and I can only compare BA's A to LH's F.
Ex-NCE BA and LH are almost even.
May I ask which point of origin you were checking that had LH so much more than BA? Unless it was in the LH-zone, I'm not sure I understand.
Ex-LHR I see BA coming out cheaper than LH in full F (which surprises me a little) but LH also offers an A fare for $3000 less than BA out of LHR, presumably to try to attract passengers willing to connect.
Ex-FRA LH is much much more expensive (big surprise there
) and I can only compare BA's A to LH's F. Ex-NCE BA and LH are almost even.
May I ask which point of origin you were checking that had LH so much more than BA? Unless it was in the LH-zone, I'm not sure I understand.
Jul 27, 2009, 12:00 pm
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Wow, big difference in exUS pricing vc exEUR pricing...
Test date August 25th. From UK and GER for honest comparisson. Prices in Euro.
LHR-LAX-LHR
BA = 7442
LH = 9113
FRA-LAX-LHR
BA = 6389
LH = 10899
LAX-LHR-LAX
BA = 9011
LH = 13004
LAX-FRA-LAX
BA = 10926
LH = 12774 (*not sure if this is LH metal)
More than 100% difference on this route:
FRA-NRT on LH = 12144
LHR-NRT on BA = 5561
A clear win for LH on this route though.
LAX-LHR-SIN on BA = 13530
LAX-FRA-SIN on LH = 9287*
*Some of the cheaper LH fares you find are actually flown on other *A partners.
Test date August 25th. From UK and GER for honest comparisson. Prices in Euro.
LHR-LAX-LHR
BA = 7442
LH = 9113
FRA-LAX-LHR
BA = 6389
LH = 10899
LAX-LHR-LAX
BA = 9011
LH = 13004
LAX-FRA-LAX
BA = 10926
LH = 12774 (*not sure if this is LH metal)
More than 100% difference on this route:
FRA-NRT on LH = 12144
LHR-NRT on BA = 5561
A clear win for LH on this route though.
LAX-LHR-SIN on BA = 13530
LAX-FRA-SIN on LH = 9287*
*Some of the cheaper LH fares you find are actually flown on other *A partners.
Jul 27, 2009, 12:10 pm
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not sure how you're getting this - I see BA pricing out over $21K on LAX-LHR-LAX! (using ITA)
I also see LH coming out almost $18K on this route, for BA's $15.5K
Now you've made me curious why KVS is quoting fares so much lower than what I see on ITA and ExpertFlyer...
I also see LH coming out almost $18K on this route, for BA's $15.5K
Now you've made me curious why KVS is quoting fares so much lower than what I see on ITA and ExpertFlyer...
Jul 27, 2009, 12:13 pm
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I was pricing cheapest available first class ticket regardless of the fare rules. So some may have been A vs F or fully flexible against less flexible.
LAX-LHR-LAX fare rules ARCNA6
You can always get KVS of course.
LAX-LHR-LAX fare rules ARCNA6
[KVS Availability Tool 5.0.2/Diamond - WSpan: LAX-LON/BA/ARCNA6/9018 EUR]
[ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING]
RES REQ 42 DAYS BEFORE DEPART
TKTG WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS
OR AT LEAST 42 DAYS BEFORE DEPART
WHICHEVER IS EARLIER ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
[MINIMUM STAY]
RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
[MAXIMUM STAY]
12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
[SEASONS]
NO RESTRICTION
[BLACKOUTS]
NO RESTRICTION
[ELIGIBILITY]
NO RESTRICTION
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO RESTRICTION
[DAY/TIME]
NO RESTRICTION
[STOPOVERS]
PERMITTED-UNLIMITED 1 FREE UNITED KINGDOM
DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
[SURCHARGES]
145.00 USD MISC/OTHER
UNN-UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 YRS
BA FLT 6200-6449 MISC/OTHER
50.00 USD MISC/OTHER PER DIRECTION
[FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS]
MUST NOT BE VIA BA FLT 7000-7049
ANY BA FLIGHT VIA
[TRANSFERS]
4 PERMITTED OUTBOUND 2 INBOUND 2
[TICKET ENDORSEMENT]
REFUNDS/CHANGES RESTRICTED
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NO VALUE AFTER FLT TIME MUST APPEAR IN
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
[ACCOMPANIED PASSENGERS]
NO RESTRICTION
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
SEE TEXT RULE
[CHANGES/REFUNDS]
CANCEL-750.00 USD BEFORE DEPART
CANCEL-NON REF AFTER DEPART
CHANGE-750.00 USD BEFORE/AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
[ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING]
RES REQ 42 DAYS BEFORE DEPART
TKTG WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS
OR AT LEAST 42 DAYS BEFORE DEPART
WHICHEVER IS EARLIER ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
[MINIMUM STAY]
RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
[MAXIMUM STAY]
12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
[SEASONS]
NO RESTRICTION
[BLACKOUTS]
NO RESTRICTION
[ELIGIBILITY]
NO RESTRICTION
[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO RESTRICTION
[DAY/TIME]
NO RESTRICTION
[STOPOVERS]
PERMITTED-UNLIMITED 1 FREE UNITED KINGDOM
DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
[SURCHARGES]
145.00 USD MISC/OTHER
UNN-UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 YRS
BA FLT 6200-6449 MISC/OTHER
50.00 USD MISC/OTHER PER DIRECTION
[FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS]
MUST NOT BE VIA BA FLT 7000-7049
ANY BA FLIGHT VIA
[TRANSFERS]
4 PERMITTED OUTBOUND 2 INBOUND 2
[TICKET ENDORSEMENT]
REFUNDS/CHANGES RESTRICTED
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NO VALUE AFTER FLT TIME MUST APPEAR IN
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
[ACCOMPANIED PASSENGERS]
NO RESTRICTION
[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
SEE TEXT RULE
[CHANGES/REFUNDS]
CANCEL-750.00 USD BEFORE DEPART
CANCEL-NON REF AFTER DEPART
CHANGE-750.00 USD BEFORE/AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
Jul 27, 2009, 12:35 pm
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With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
Jul 27, 2009, 12:41 pm
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It's all down to individual opinion in the end really.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
Jul 27, 2009, 12:57 pm
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Jul 27, 2009, 1:01 pm
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Jul 27, 2009, 1:12 pm
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It's all down to individual opinion in the end really.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
Jul 27, 2009, 1:15 pm
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It's all down to individual opinion in the end really.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
With you being a regular traveller you most likely just want to get on board and sleep. If your employer is paying for the ticket ones view of it is going to be completely different from the pax who are paying out of their own pocket.
If anyone ever sees me paying for a BA F ticket they have my permission to shoot me - I just don't see any value in it whatsoever compared to CW especially on USA East coast routes and all overnight flights. Using miles for F on some routes is the only exception to the value rule.
My view is you are only paying to travel in F for a extra few inches of space. The "exclusive" feel to the 747 F cabin soon disappears if the cabin is full. The quality of service from CW is very insignificant especially when it comes to the food.
Just seems a little swings and roundabouts - but the question is academic for me. My last LH flight was 15 years ago and it will be 15 years before I set foot on them again. Likewise I sampled the delights of Air France last night. It was better than Alitalia.
Jul 27, 2009, 1:17 pm
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Jul 27, 2009, 1:22 pm
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