BA cabin crew member arrested at LGW for being 'drunk and under influence'
Jan 30, 2023, 8:35 am
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No one can draw any conclusions. But you can start from the idea the authorities are wasting time, or you can start from the idea that they're probably doing their job correctly. I recommend the second, it's far less likely to lead to hypertension.
Jan 30, 2023, 8:35 am
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She might have reckoned she'd nothing to lose by doing a disappearing act.
Jan 30, 2023, 8:38 am
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@ Coffeemadman : Its pretty clear that you have no more evidence than I do ; which means that any conclusions you yourself draw at this stage are no more reliable than - and could be every bit as misguided and / or erroneous as - my own could potentially be.
Ive said as much as I wish to say on this thread and will now leave you to continue to make whatever personal jibes you see fit, such as telling me how foolish (just slightly, apparently
) I should be prepared to look ; not to mention you kindly informing me that the police and airport do not owe you any explanation as to why it took an hour ; which is fine, given that at no point have I remotely suggested that they owe me such an explanation. But I certainly value my freedom to debate their performance - including the freedom to praise or criticise.
Will just add in closing that I always feel it preferable to discuss the actual topic and circumstances surrounding it, and to avoid directly attacking other FT members (in the personal way you have done), merely for having expressed a view / perspective which happens to be at odds with your own.
Ive said as much as I wish to say on this thread and will now leave you to continue to make whatever personal jibes you see fit, such as telling me how foolish (just slightly, apparently
) I should be prepared to look ; not to mention you kindly informing me that the police and airport do not owe you any explanation as to why it took an hour ; which is fine, given that at no point have I remotely suggested that they owe me such an explanation. But I certainly value my freedom to debate their performance - including the freedom to praise or criticise.Will just add in closing that I always feel it preferable to discuss the actual topic and circumstances surrounding it, and to avoid directly attacking other FT members (in the personal way you have done), merely for having expressed a view / perspective which happens to be at odds with your own.
Jan 30, 2023, 8:48 am
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I do not see how this particular incident demonstrates that. If it takes an hour to do what needs to be done, it takes an hour. The crew was suspected of being drunk and on Class A drugs while in the air. That is a top priority for the rest of the crew, the airline, the airport, the police and actually the rest of the passengers. So yes, the time this particular plane landed/disembarked was, rightly so, at the bottom of the priority list.
Hardly in BA's interest either....to have a CC member arrested for a failed D&A in front of 180 of their customers
Jan 30, 2023, 8:50 am
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@ Coffemadman - well, I did say I was done with the thread, but I simply must come back briefly - and with good reason.
I always have huge respect for anyone who (especially when tensions can inevitably rise in the ‘heat’ of certain threads) offers an unqualified apology in the way you kindly have done. And so I happily and gracefully accept your apology, thank you.
And with that ….. I really am done !
I always have huge respect for anyone who (especially when tensions can inevitably rise in the ‘heat’ of certain threads) offers an unqualified apology in the way you kindly have done. And so I happily and gracefully accept your apology, thank you.
And with that ….. I really am done !
Jan 30, 2023, 8:52 am
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Someone would assume that the captain requested police to take a breathalyzer test?
I am just wondering why they could not wait until pax have left and what the concern was to have police onboard immediately despite everybody knowing that’ll look really bad.
In any case a new cabin crew position will likely have opened up.
I am just wondering why they could not wait until pax have left and what the concern was to have police onboard immediately despite everybody knowing that’ll look really bad.
In any case a new cabin crew position will likely have opened up.
Last edited by Oxon Flyer; Jan 30, 2023 at 9:06 am Reason: Removal of comment unrelated to the topic and very likely to spark an unnecessary side-discussion
Jan 30, 2023, 8:57 am
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How in any way is the arrest of a CC member the "top priority" for any of the pax on board? You think they want to witness an arrest.....or get home to their loved one or maybe catch on onward connection or train?
Hardly in BA's interest either....to have a CC member arrested for a failed D&A in front of 180 of their customers
Hardly in BA's interest either....to have a CC member arrested for a failed D&A in front of 180 of their customers
What I meant by that is that, as a passenger, I would not want a cabin crew high on Class A drugs to be able to do it again, and if it requires extra time to ensure that this is prevented then it is in my interest for safety reasons.
Jan 30, 2023, 8:59 am
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What happens in these circumstances? Does the captain upon noticing insist that they stop service or do they not reveal that theyre going to be arrested on landing? I cant see how they could allow them to continue service for safety reasons and if they were obviously drunk/high then it wouldnt look good to the passengers. On the other hand if they know theyre going to get arrested upon landing they might try something stupid (like trying to escape through the emergency exit)
Jan 30, 2023, 9:02 am
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I'm joking, there may be lots of ramp related furniture to hide in or alongside (stairs, baggage carts), maybe even jump on a baggage cart to the terminal or perhaps hide in the aircraft hold for a short while and then jump on a bus to the terminal that comes to collect pax from an aircraft that arrives alongside a bit later. The more I think about it, the more I can see the possibilities. Every minute delay will count to reducing any alcohol in the system before the test
Jan 30, 2023, 9:03 am
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What happens in these circumstances? Does the captain upon noticing insist that they stop service or do they not reveal that theyre going to be arrested on landing? I cant see how they could allow them to continue service for safety reasons and if they were obviously drunk/high then it wouldnt look good to the passengers. On the other hand if they know theyre going to get arrested upon landing they might try something stupid (like trying to escape through the emergency exit)
Its not a time for subterfuge or subtlety, and would be horrific for all involved. Suspicion is not proof but you would have to take steps to ensure safety and imagine if you were wrong and they were innocent - its not a pleasant experience for any one, either accuser or accused.
As for them doing a runner, thats not the problem of the crew.
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Jan 30, 2023, 9:08 am
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Scarper to where exactly? Leg it across active taxiways and / or a runway?
I'm joking, there may be lots of ramp related furniture to hide in or alongside (stairs, baggage carts), maybe even jump on a baggage cart to the terminal or perhaps hide in the aircraft hold for a short while and then jump on a bus to the terminal that comes to collect pax from an aircraft that arrives alongside a bit later. The more I think about it, the more I can see the possibilities. Every minute delay will count to reducing any alcohol in the system before the test
I'm joking, there may be lots of ramp related furniture to hide in or alongside (stairs, baggage carts), maybe even jump on a baggage cart to the terminal or perhaps hide in the aircraft hold for a short while and then jump on a bus to the terminal that comes to collect pax from an aircraft that arrives alongside a bit later. The more I think about it, the more I can see the possibilities. Every minute delay will count to reducing any alcohol in the system before the test
Jan 30, 2023, 9:14 am
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Which part of "Maybe they thought she'd just scarper if they pulled up to jetbridge and opened the door to allow pax to disembark" led you to imagine the Steven Slater incident?
Jan 30, 2023, 9:21 am
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The Captain would not have requested that anyone was breathalysed, that is entirely down to the police how they go about their duties and evidence collection. The Captain, suspecting an intoxicated crew member would have asked to be met by the police, they take it from there, and deal with it, including releasing other passengers who are all potential witnesses, from whom statements may well need to be taken before they disappear.
Jan 30, 2023, 9:30 am
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Which part of "Maybe they thought she'd just scarper if they pulled up to jetbridge and opened the door to allow pax to disembark" led you to imagine the Steven Slater incident?