BA 269 Jan 17 disarms doors while taxiing to avoid UK261
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On arrival, generally on the turn into the relevant parking stand, I expect when they know parking is assured (ie they can see guidance switched on, ground equipment is positioned safely etc - ie so they wont have to stop short) the flight deck - generally the Pilot Monitoring / Pilot Not Flying - will give the doors to manual (disarmed on A350/380) PA.
The crew will then make the necessary door mode selection, verify (crosscheck - generally with their opposite door - NB this does NOT involve opening the door to check that you armed it correctly!) and standby for an All Stations intercom call from the SCCM (I think on the A350 its called an all crew conference call or something but same difference). Generally from a passengers perspective you will hear a high-low chime (literally ding dong!) (on the 350/380 it might be a tri-tone, Ive only surmised this from observation but I think the SCCM can make a priority call which will be a tri-tone, i believe a double high-low chime is a call from the flight deck) and each set of door pairs will confirm, ie 2 left and right automatic and cross checked. The SCCM can often also see this on the display by the doors.
I think the above is generally the position!!
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I am stunned that it took 30 comments before BA075 was made mention of in this thread!😂 😂
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There have been numerous reports of spurious denials - my comment was not referring to this claim but simply to the complaint about people litigating
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Yes, from reading this board I was initially shocked to see the brazen batting off of clearly legitimate claims. Its a game to them to obviously lower cost and the bottom line. BA hate this legislation as do other airlines but some of the games they play really do leave a bitter taste in the mouth given how other front line staffing groups try and go out of their way to make things better on the day and deliver for customers. It only takes this dept to seemingly undo all of that.
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It has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread but I just wanted to add to and magnify the point that as flight crew we do not care one iota about EU261. If we are 2:59 late or 3:01 late, it is completely irrelevant to us. Our remit is purely and simply the safe and efficient operation of the aircraft. There have been zero communications from the company about this to us and would be ignored by most anyway, it would also likely generate a flurry of protests and reports to the authority about financial pressure being put ahead of safety. Ask any of my cabin crew colleagues and they will (happily) tell you how prickly pilots can be if they feel they are being put upon by der managment, as a group we would simply not adopt such a procedure without making a huge stink.
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The aircraft has various sensors connected to the parking brake, undercarriage and doors. The traditional times recorded are known as OOOI. Out is the time of the next parking brake release after all doors closed, Off is when the undercarriage decompresses/extended at take off, On is the undercarriage compressing on touchdown, in is the last application of parking brake before the first door (any) is opened. The aircraft also records first pax and cargo door opening and last pax and cargo door closing.
These are all sent automatically and independent of pilot input.
Nowhere is door arming/disarming recorded.
As has been mentioned, the pilots call for doors to be placed to manual/disarmed on the final run in to the stand after the last turn to align. Any perceived delay could be because the aircraft is unable to park and has to hold short due to guidance failure or that the aircraft has parked and there is a delay attaching the jetty. Also at some airports the aircraft has to be shutdown and towed onto stand and it is conceivable that doors could be disarmed at this stage.
Finally, as has been mentioned, pilots are not on a mission to deny compensation.
These are all sent automatically and independent of pilot input.
Nowhere is door arming/disarming recorded.
As has been mentioned, the pilots call for doors to be placed to manual/disarmed on the final run in to the stand after the last turn to align. Any perceived delay could be because the aircraft is unable to park and has to hold short due to guidance failure or that the aircraft has parked and there is a delay attaching the jetty. Also at some airports the aircraft has to be shutdown and towed onto stand and it is conceivable that doors could be disarmed at this stage.
Finally, as has been mentioned, pilots are not on a mission to deny compensation.