Last edit by: corporate-wage-slave
Link to the full original text of the regulations in PDF format
Downgrades: Mennens case - calculation formula is in this post
Brexit and Covid pointers: see post 8
Click here for last year's (2020) thread.
Downgrades: Mennens case - calculation formula is in this post
Brexit and Covid pointers: see post 8
Click here for last year's (2020) thread.
The 2021/22 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation EC261/2004
#1936
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,821
All this with their 7mth daughter. Fortunately, their daughter did not scream the place down (in either airport) but the wait for baggage was really tedious. Eventually Mum came out to where we were waiting in order to get to the car to feed her. BA have agreed to pay the extra time the car was in the parking but - is there any redress?
Will BA just say, "The airport facilities are beyond our control?"
Any suggestions? Thanks.
Will BA just say, "The airport facilities are beyond our control?"
Any suggestions? Thanks.
#1937
Join Date: May 2005
Programs: BA Gold, AA PLT PRO, AGR, Strawberry (Nordic Choice), Marriott Bonvoy
Posts: 4,248
Looking back at a trip I took in January 2022 it looks like it might be eligible for EC/UK261 compensation. Can someone confirm before I write in to claim?
BA306 LHR-CDG for Jan 2nd 2022 was cancelled 24th Dec 2021, so within 14 days. Original scheduled times were dep 0835 arr 1100. I chose to be rescheduled on the next flight BA308, which had an actual gate arrival of 1443 so this was over 3hrs after the original flight was due to arrive
Would this qualify for compensation? If so, how much and how should I claim? Would I do one email for all passengers together?
BA306 LHR-CDG for Jan 2nd 2022 was cancelled 24th Dec 2021, so within 14 days. Original scheduled times were dep 0835 arr 1100. I chose to be rescheduled on the next flight BA308, which had an actual gate arrival of 1443 so this was over 3hrs after the original flight was due to arrive
Would this qualify for compensation? If so, how much and how should I claim? Would I do one email for all passengers together?
Last edited by salut0; Jul 22, 2022 at 7:57 am
#1938
Join Date: May 2013
Location: UK
Programs: BA VS
Posts: 107
Many Thanks folks. The airports are .... Nope, I cannot think of the correct words!
#1939
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,821
Looking back at a trip I took in January 2022 it looks like it might be eligible for EC/UK261 compensation. Can someone confirm before I write in to claim?
BA306 LHR-CDG for Jan 2nd 2022 was cancelled 24th Dec 2021, so within 14 days. Original scheduled times were dep 0835 arr 1100. I chose to be rescheduled on the next flight BA308, which had an actual gate arrival of 1443 so this was over 3hrs after the original flight was due to arrive
Would this qualify for compensation? If so, how much and how should I claim? Would I do one email for all passengers together?
BA306 LHR-CDG for Jan 2nd 2022 was cancelled 24th Dec 2021, so within 14 days. Original scheduled times were dep 0835 arr 1100. I chose to be rescheduled on the next flight BA308, which had an actual gate arrival of 1443 so this was over 3hrs after the original flight was due to arrive
Would this qualify for compensation? If so, how much and how should I claim? Would I do one email for all passengers together?
#1940
Join Date: May 2005
Programs: BA Gold, AA PLT PRO, AGR, Strawberry (Nordic Choice), Marriott Bonvoy
Posts: 4,248
When it comes to cancellations done in advance, it's the scheduled time that matters (in the main) not the actual time, so the reverse of the situation with on the day delays. So what was your scheduled time of departure originally? And what was the scheduled time of arrival when rebooked?
dep LHR 0835 arr CDG 1100
BA 308 scheduled times:
dep LHR 1155 arr CDG 1415
#1941
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,821
From my recollection, BA found itself short of staff around Christmas and New Year, partly from a COVID outbreak so a number of flights were cancelled like this.
#1942
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 3
Hi all,
Looking for a bit of advice here: I was due to fly out to PMI from EDI via LCY on 8th July. Ba8709 coming into EDI was delayed by 2 hours (Captain when we got on board it was due to them using a different aircraft due to an issue with the original one), which caused me to miss my connecting flight (ba2227) from LCY to PMI. BA agent advised me in the airport to book alternative Jet2 flights from STN and I would get the money back. He then put me in a taxi across London and paid for a nights hotel. Would 261 apply here or would it be void because I abandoned the flight and made my own arrangements (even though a BA employee told me that I would be able to claim the costs back).
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Looking for a bit of advice here: I was due to fly out to PMI from EDI via LCY on 8th July. Ba8709 coming into EDI was delayed by 2 hours (Captain when we got on board it was due to them using a different aircraft due to an issue with the original one), which caused me to miss my connecting flight (ba2227) from LCY to PMI. BA agent advised me in the airport to book alternative Jet2 flights from STN and I would get the money back. He then put me in a taxi across London and paid for a nights hotel. Would 261 apply here or would it be void because I abandoned the flight and made my own arrangements (even though a BA employee told me that I would be able to claim the costs back).
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
#1943
Join Date: May 2005
Programs: BA Gold, AA PLT PRO, AGR, Strawberry (Nordic Choice), Marriott Bonvoy
Posts: 4,248
but according to this image from the Wiki above it looks like you get €250 for a cancellation resulting in a delay of over 2hrs for any flight less than 1500km
[img]blob:https://www.flyertalk.com/12720684-435f-4c85-8c6f-aeec6d7100bf[/img]
#1944
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,821
Yes, the point I was trying to make is that cancellations and delays are treated differently. If you were 3 hours late (on the day) on the new booking then delay compensation applies. If you were 4 hours late on the cancellation schedule (in advance) then you are in scope, but you can't hybrid cancellations and delays.
#1945
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,821
Hi all,
Looking for a bit of advice here: I was due to fly out to PMI from EDI via LCY on 8th July. Ba8709 coming into EDI was delayed by 2 hours (Captain when we got on board it was due to them using a different aircraft due to an issue with the original one), which caused me to miss my connecting flight (ba2227) from LCY to PMI. BA agent advised me in the airport to book alternative Jet2 flights from STN and I would get the money back. He then put me in a taxi across London and paid for a nights hotel. Would 261 apply here or would it be void because I abandoned the flight and made my own arrangements (even though a BA employee told me that I would be able to claim the costs back).
Looking for a bit of advice here: I was due to fly out to PMI from EDI via LCY on 8th July. Ba8709 coming into EDI was delayed by 2 hours (Captain when we got on board it was due to them using a different aircraft due to an issue with the original one), which caused me to miss my connecting flight (ba2227) from LCY to PMI. BA agent advised me in the airport to book alternative Jet2 flights from STN and I would get the money back. He then put me in a taxi across London and paid for a nights hotel. Would 261 apply here or would it be void because I abandoned the flight and made my own arrangements (even though a BA employee told me that I would be able to claim the costs back).
Welcome to Flyertalk and welcome to the BA forum.
#1946
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: UK (currently)
Programs: BA Gold (and many other greater and lesser distinctions)
Posts: 7,208
14 July:"Thank you for your claim for EU compensation. We’re sorry that your flight, BAXXX on 24 June 2022 to London didn’t depart as scheduled.
....We’ve reviewed your application and we’re pleased to confirm that you’re entitled to compensation under EU Regulation 261. This has been calculated as EUR400 per customer."
21 July - Payment received
22 July: "We’re sorry we’ve not been back in touch yet about your Customer Relations query and we appreciate your patience. We know you’ve been waiting for a response now for 28 days, but please rest assured we haven’t forgotten about your case and we’ll be in touch as soon as we can."
I am now looking forward to an e-mail in a week's time explaining why my claim has been rejected !
....We’ve reviewed your application and we’re pleased to confirm that you’re entitled to compensation under EU Regulation 261. This has been calculated as EUR400 per customer."
21 July - Payment received
22 July: "We’re sorry we’ve not been back in touch yet about your Customer Relations query and we appreciate your patience. We know you’ve been waiting for a response now for 28 days, but please rest assured we haven’t forgotten about your case and we’ll be in touch as soon as we can."
I am now looking forward to an e-mail in a week's time explaining why my claim has been rejected !
#1947
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold / Hilton Diamond / IHG Diamond Ambassador / Marriot Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 2,534
14 July:"Thank you for your claim for EU compensation. We’re sorry that your flight, BAXXX on 24 June 2022 to London didn’t depart as scheduled.
....We’ve reviewed your application and we’re pleased to confirm that you’re entitled to compensation under EU Regulation 261. This has been calculated as EUR400 per customer."
21 July - Payment received
22 July: "We’re sorry we’ve not been back in touch yet about your Customer Relations query and we appreciate your patience. We know you’ve been waiting for a response now for 28 days, but please rest assured we haven’t forgotten about your case and we’ll be in touch as soon as we can."
I am now looking forward to an e-mail in a week's time explaining why my claim has been rejected !
....We’ve reviewed your application and we’re pleased to confirm that you’re entitled to compensation under EU Regulation 261. This has been calculated as EUR400 per customer."
21 July - Payment received
22 July: "We’re sorry we’ve not been back in touch yet about your Customer Relations query and we appreciate your patience. We know you’ve been waiting for a response now for 28 days, but please rest assured we haven’t forgotten about your case and we’ll be in touch as soon as we can."
I am now looking forward to an e-mail in a week's time explaining why my claim has been rejected !
#1948
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 709
Flight cancelled within 72 hrs prior to departure and moved to next available that departs the following day. Overnight accommodation extension (within reason) and extending hire car I assume will be reimbursable as part of duty of care as well as EU261? Thanks
PS - just out of interest if both legs of a single booking are disrupted is EU261 due twice?? Suspect the level of cancellations BA are experiencing now is getting expensive (although they may be banking on most people not knowing they need to claim...)
PS - just out of interest if both legs of a single booking are disrupted is EU261 due twice?? Suspect the level of cancellations BA are experiencing now is getting expensive (although they may be banking on most people not knowing they need to claim...)
#1949
Ambassador, British Airways; FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Leeds, UK
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, GfL, HH Diamond
Posts: 42,968
Hire car costs are not covered under duty of care. Duty of care is meals, refreshments, hotel, transport between airport and hotel. I am afraid you would have to rely on your travel insurance here.
#1950
Join Date: Jul 2022
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 15
I had a flight cancelled on 10th June, after 8 weeks of "sorry you are waiting" emails, the claim was rejected due to French ATC strike. I have searched for evidence of any strike on that day and there wasn't any. BA's earlier flight on same route was not affected. I checked other airlines to see if I could link any other flights on that route being cancelled and did not find any, there was quite a few cancellations but nothing relating to the route or any indication of being due to a "strike". I have contacted BA with a request for further proof of this "strike". Meanwhile I came across other "forums" pointing to "flyertalk". Have just spent about an hour going through the site and am impressed with the quality of the posts here. Congratulations.
Was wondering if there was anyone who could check whether my flight was actually cancelled due to a strike or is this a "delaying" tactic. So the cancelled flight was BA2786 LGW to BOD. 13:45. Friday 10th June.
Was wondering if there was anyone who could check whether my flight was actually cancelled due to a strike or is this a "delaying" tactic. So the cancelled flight was BA2786 LGW to BOD. 13:45. Friday 10th June.