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The 2021/22 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation EC261/2004
#1906
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London
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Hi,
BA have just written to me stating I am eligible for 250E compensation due to a flight cancellation.
What they haven't mentioned are the expenses incurred due to the cancellation; these are supposed to be outside of the compensation?
Also doesn't help they just send a ref number when one has multiple claims outstanding....
BA have just written to me stating I am eligible for 250E compensation due to a flight cancellation.
What they haven't mentioned are the expenses incurred due to the cancellation; these are supposed to be outside of the compensation?
Also doesn't help they just send a ref number when one has multiple claims outstanding....
#1907
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 21
Data point I guess:
So I sent an LBA to BA by recorded delivery giving 28 days, as BA had refused to rebook me over the phone, quoting the 1yr from ticket issuance policy.
Someone from CR (not legal) got back to me on Day32 by email saying I was ineligible for rebooking as I had to rebook within 14 days (the other policy I’ve read about previously) and as I hadn’t done so, they could only refund .
I’ve replied back quoting UK261 and explaining why the only convenient time for me to travel is during the summer school holidays. I’ve asked them to have someone in their legal department to look and reconsider - else I’ll have to escalate to MCOL / CEDR.
Was expecting someone in Legal to reply to me, rather than being passed to CR who have no / little UK261 knowledge.
So I sent an LBA to BA by recorded delivery giving 28 days, as BA had refused to rebook me over the phone, quoting the 1yr from ticket issuance policy.
Someone from CR (not legal) got back to me on Day32 by email saying I was ineligible for rebooking as I had to rebook within 14 days (the other policy I’ve read about previously) and as I hadn’t done so, they could only refund .
I’ve replied back quoting UK261 and explaining why the only convenient time for me to travel is during the summer school holidays. I’ve asked them to have someone in their legal department to look and reconsider - else I’ll have to escalate to MCOL / CEDR.
Was expecting someone in Legal to reply to me, rather than being passed to CR who have no / little UK261 knowledge.
#1908
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The expenses are usually paid separately - and before EC261! But other things can happen, so the key detail missing here is when did you claim? And when was the flight? If you have multiple claims the reference numbers relate to the emails you should have received shortly after submission.
#1909
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London
Programs: KLM, BA Silver, Etihad
Posts: 918
The expenses are usually paid separately - and before EC261! But other things can happen, so the key detail missing here is when did you claim? And when was the flight? If you have multiple claims the reference numbers relate to the emails you should have received shortly after submission.
Hi - apologies all round I missed the line in the email that said “I have also covered your expenses In full” Can I blame the heat or maybe just the excitement and surprise that they were sending me anything without a fight 😀
The email you receive from lodging the complaint also just has the reference number too?
#1910
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Hi - apologies all round I missed the line in the email that said “I have also covered your expenses In full” Can I blame the heat or maybe just the excitement and surprise that they were sending me anything without a fight 😀
The email you receive from lodging the complaint also just has the reference number too?
The email you receive from lodging the complaint also just has the reference number too?
#1912
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#1913
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: BA
Posts: 21
Data point I guess:
So I sent an LBA to BA by recorded delivery giving 28 days, as BA had refused to rebook me over the phone, quoting the 1yr from ticket issuance policy.
Someone from CR (not legal) got back to me on Day32 by email saying I was ineligible for rebooking as I had to rebook within 14 days (the other policy I’ve read about previously) and as I hadn’t done so, they could only refund .
I’ve replied back quoting UK261 and explaining why the only convenient time for me to travel is during the summer school holidays. I’ve asked them to have someone in their legal department to look and reconsider - else I’ll have to escalate to MCOL / CEDR.
Was expecting someone in Legal to reply to me, rather than being passed to CR who have no / little UK261 knowledge.
So I sent an LBA to BA by recorded delivery giving 28 days, as BA had refused to rebook me over the phone, quoting the 1yr from ticket issuance policy.
Someone from CR (not legal) got back to me on Day32 by email saying I was ineligible for rebooking as I had to rebook within 14 days (the other policy I’ve read about previously) and as I hadn’t done so, they could only refund .
I’ve replied back quoting UK261 and explaining why the only convenient time for me to travel is during the summer school holidays. I’ve asked them to have someone in their legal department to look and reconsider - else I’ll have to escalate to MCOL / CEDR.
Was expecting someone in Legal to reply to me, rather than being passed to CR who have no / little UK261 knowledge.
Regardless I ended up starting a CEDR claim just yesterday and am in similar position to you..avios 241 business to Tokyo cancelled for and July 2022 asked to rebook to April 2023 which BA refused and cited 1 year ticket validity. I was tempted to MCOL but let's see whether CEDR is really "independent" and properly considers our EC261/UK261 rights.
#1914
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: BA Executive Club
Posts: 21
Something similar happened to me. Sent LBA which was delivered 31 May 2022 via recorded delivery. Didn't get any response back. Sent an email to Sean Doyle (CEO) and received a response from Customer Service on 5 July 2022 with a final response (the response seemed to reference my email as opposed to the LBA although I did attach the LBA for reference in my email to Sean Doyle).
Regardless I ended up starting a CEDR claim just yesterday and am in similar position to you..avios 241 business to Tokyo cancelled for and July 2022 asked to rebook to April 2023 which BA refused and cited 1 year ticket validity. I was tempted to MCOL but let's see whether CEDR is really "independent" and properly considers our EC261/UK261 rights.
Regardless I ended up starting a CEDR claim just yesterday and am in similar position to you..avios 241 business to Tokyo cancelled for and July 2022 asked to rebook to April 2023 which BA refused and cited 1 year ticket validity. I was tempted to MCOL but let's see whether CEDR is really "independent" and properly considers our EC261/UK261 rights.
Let’s see…!
#1915
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 471
Is my friend entitled to EC261 compensation?
On July 18, my friend flew BA288 Phoenix-Heathrow, connecting to BA1448 LHR-EDI, on the same PNR, with 2 hours to make the connection in Heathrow. The first flight, PHX-LHR, landed on time, but had to wait for about an hour for a gate to become available. As a result of this delay, my friend missed her connecting flight to EDI. BA re-booked her on a later flight to EDI, the only one with available seats. She arrived to EDI more than 8 hours late vs. her original schedule. The best news, her luggage, including expensive golf clubs, arrived to EDI on the same flight as she did.
In the opinion of the experts here, is she entitled to any compensation under EC261? Would 8-hour arrival delay at Edinburgh, caused by unavailable gates at LHR, be a valid reason for a claim?
A couple of additional details ( not sure if they are important ): she was traveling on a paid ticket, with US passport.
Thanks in advance for help!
In the opinion of the experts here, is she entitled to any compensation under EC261? Would 8-hour arrival delay at Edinburgh, caused by unavailable gates at LHR, be a valid reason for a claim?
A couple of additional details ( not sure if they are important ): she was traveling on a paid ticket, with US passport.
Thanks in advance for help!
#1916
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,974
Lack of gate shouldn’t be a valid excuse. I think EU261 eligible.
#1917
Same here - BA is the master of the terminal T5 so lack of gates really doesn’t seems like a good excuse - and even if they should have staff on hand to expedite tight connections ala ZRH
#1918
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I would strongly encourage your friend to look at the main compensation thread on this forum. Loads of similar cases debated throughout.
#1919
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: BA
Posts: 21
Good luck in whatever you decide and hope we both get the results we are after.
#1920
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Judges work solely on the basis of the law and its interpretation. If the court comes to the view that the CEDR process was wrong in law they would, without doubt, say so. The only thing to be careful of is that where there is a genuinely hopeless case which someone takes to MCOL after CEDR then at some point the judge may take the view that the usual cost structure for losing claimants should be varied to include more of BA's legal costs. BA would be entirely right and correct to say CEDR had agreed with them on a particular dispute, but a claimant would also be be right to point out that CEDR is a self-appointed and self-funded agency contracting for BA. Rarely will a case hinge on these factors though.