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Old Jan 26, 2020, 5:00 am
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BA have cancelled all flights to PKX (Beijing/Peking) and PVG (Shanghai Pu Dong) "until 19 April 2020".

BA frequency to HKG has been reduced with effect from 13 February 2020 - see below for further details. From HKG, Cathay is running a heavily reduced schedule to mainland destinations until the end of March.

If you are due to fly to PKX, PVG and your flight is cancelled then you have refund, re-route and rebook options. BA can rebook on to several other airlines.
If you are due to fly to Hong Kong until 1st April you have refund and rebook options.
If you are transiting into mainland China you are also covered as above.
If you are transiting internationally (e.g. LHR-HKG-SYD) you are not able to move your flights, unless they are cancelled anyway.
The latest ba.com update was on 21 February 2020 at 1510.

More information on the advice of Her Majesty's Government about travel and health is on the Foreign and Commonwealth Office website.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/china

For the Special Administration Regions of Hong Kong and Macao:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/hong-kong
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/macao

Summary from IATA of all travel restrictions due to Coronavirus as added to TIMATIC https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm


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HKG frequency reductions (as of 1330 on 21 February 2020, all dates inclusive).

LHR-HKG

From Thu 13.02.2020 to Mon 01.06.2020: BA31 cancelled. BA27 operates (380).

Exceptions:-
  • Tue 18.02.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (777).
  • Tue 10.03.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (777).
  • Mon 27.04.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Tue 28.04.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Wed 29.04.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Thu 30.04.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Mon 11.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Tue 12.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Mon 18.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Tue 19.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Sun 24.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Mon 25.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Tue 26.05.2020: BA27 cancelled. BA31 operates (380).
  • Mon 01.06.2020: BA31 cancelled. BA27 operates (777).
In addition, on Mon 08.06.2020: BA31 cancelled. BA27 operates (777).

HKG-LHR

From Fri 14.02.2020 to Tue 02.06.2020: BA32 cancelled. BA28 operates (380).

Exceptions:-
  • Wed 19.02.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (777).
  • Wed 11.03.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (777).
  • Sun 29.03.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Tue 28.04.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Wed 29.04.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Thu 30.04.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Fri 01.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Tue 12.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Wed 13.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Tue 19.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Wed 20.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Mon 25.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Tue 26.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Wed 27.05.2020: BA28 cancelled. BA32 operates (380).
  • Tue 02.06.2020: BA32 cancelled. BA28 operates (777).
In addition, on Tue 09.06.2020: BA32 cancelled. BA28 operates (777).

Note: Schedule changes take effect on Sun 29.03.2020 in both directions.

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Old Jan 28, 2020, 3:54 am
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HK - China travel to be drastically curbed

From mainland no entry permits, trains and ferries suspended and flights halved according to the BBC - with effect Thursday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51279726
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 3:54 am
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Originally Posted by justin1123
I have a flight NCL-LHR-HKG next week, Club World avios booking (through avios.com and its the return portion if that makes a difference). For re-booking under this policy, I know I can't change route, but do Avios seats have to be available as normal for purchase?
I would like to move this a couple of weeks later, but there is now no Avios availability showing until end of February.
Alternatively, I could refund and buy something else, but would this be possible, as I have already flown outbound HKG-LHR on same ticket.
No, you wont need avios space.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by justin1123
I have a flight NCL-LHR-HKG next week, Club World avios booking (through avios.com and its the return portion if that makes a difference). For re-booking under this policy, I know I can't change route, but do Avios seats have to be available as normal for purchase?
No, they will open revenue seats for Avios bookings.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 4:23 am
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I fly to HK and return from HND - that was the plan anyway. I will still go to HK but will cancel Japan leg and try to get earlier flight back from HK. Would BA accommodate me?
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by Modo
From mainland no entry permits, trains and ferries suspended and flights halved according to the BBC - with effect Thursday.
That's nice of them; giving everyone over a day to move around before the restrictions come into force.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 4:55 am
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00.01 or 23.59 Thursday January 30?

Originally Posted by adrianlondon
That's nice of them; giving everyone over a day to move around before the restrictions come into force.
from our point of view - being in Macau - and flying out of HKG to HEL effectively late Thursday yes.

But it still not clear the timings or scope - ——-includes Macau?

Do do we need to get out on the 29th or is the 30th as planned still OK.... not at all clear from watching the HK evening news on Pearl.

the stats available in this part of Greater China are no longer separating out the SAR’s!
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 4:55 am
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Originally Posted by stevie
I fly to HK and return from HND - that was the plan anyway. I will still go to HK but will cancel Japan leg and try to get earlier flight back from HK. Would BA accommodate me?
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If you're worried about the virus, why are you still flying to HK?
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by flyuk
If you're worried about the virus, why are you still flying to HK?
Because I own a company there and I feel it is my duty not to cancel the trip while my team live and work there daily. Anything else?
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:09 am
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Originally Posted by stevie
Because I own a company there and I feel it is my duty not to cancel the trip while my team live and work there daily. Anything else?
Woah. Easy there, no need to get aggressive. It was a genuine question, wanting BA to pay for your return flight from HK when you already have one from Japan makes no sense. We have had only 4 cases of it here in Japan, Hong Kong has had 8 already. You've got more chance of getting it from someone on the flight from HK than from here.

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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:29 am
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Originally Posted by flyuk
Woah. Easy there, no need to get aggressive. It was a genuine question, wanting BA to pay for your return flight from HK when you already have one from Japan makes no sense. We have had only 4 cases of it here in Japan, Hong Kong has had 8 already. You've got more chance of getting it from someone on the flight from HK than from here.

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7 confirmed cases in Japan now, including 1 in-country transmission (admittedly a bus driver who was driving a tour bus for tourist groups from Wuhan).

I understand Stevie's concerns. I have scrapped my plans to go to Japan too (luckily, I had not booked yet). Hong Kong's risk management for this infection appears to be better than it is Japan.

However, I would not be expecting BA to foot the bill for changing my ex-Japan flight to ex-HKG, for sure, if I had been in Stevie's position, whatever the reason may be. That would be my problem to sort out, unless BA puts out a commercial policy for Japan as well. Then again, Germany also had a in-country transmission, so where does that end?

I've just been looking at potentially paying around £5,000 extra to change my flights from Australia because of my husband freaking over my Singapore stopover... I wouldn't be expecting BA to change it for me FoC of course. Not that I would pay that, when my personal risk assessment is rather 'low' to start with.
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Originally Posted by flyuk
Woah. Easy there, no need to get aggressive. It was a genuine question, wanting BA to pay for your return flight from HK when you already have one from Japan makes no sense. We have had only 4 cases of it here in Japan, Hong Kong has had 8 already. You've got more chance of getting it from someone on the flight from HK than from here.

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The only reason I would cancel the Japanese part of the trip is because I would be making sales calls, and I am unsure the people I would be meeting would necessarily want to meet me and a contingent of HK/Chinese people, given current circumstances.
Nothing to do with Japan and the virus, more to do with wanting to get home earlier.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by stevie
The only reason I would cancel the Japanese part of the trip is because I would be making sales calls, and I am unsure the people I would be meeting would necessarily want to meet me and a contingent of HK/Chinese people, given current circumstances.
Nothing to do with Japan and the virus, more to do with wanting to get home earlier.
Then by all means, ask BA, but this isn't really their responsibility. You're willingly choosing to fly into a country that has multiple land borders with the epicenter of the infection. I hope it works out for you.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:39 am
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Then by all means, ask BA, but this isn't really their responsibility. You're willingly choosing to fly into a country that has multiple land borders with the epicenter of the infection. I hope it works out for you.
Fair enough point.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by LTN Phobia
Hong Kong's risk management for this infection appears to be better than it is Japan.
That's quite a sweeping statement.

Japan routinely isolates people that are ill, most public workers wear masks, and people with flu-like symptoms go straight to hospital, not to doctor surgeries. Hong Kong has a higher population density in some areas, and sanitation is nowhere near as full on as Japan.

Japan was the first country to *increase* monitoring for incoming passengers. I say increase because it has always monitored temperatures of people coming in.
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Old Jan 28, 2020, 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by flyuk
That's quite a sweeping statement.

Japan routinely isolates people that are ill, most public workers wear masks, and people with flu-like symptoms go straight to hospital, not to doctor surgeries. Hong Kong has a higher population density in some areas, and sanitation is nowhere near as full on as Japan.

Japan was the first country to *increase* monitoring for incoming passengers. I say increase because it has always monitored temperatures of people coming in.
There are delays to implementing some of the key measures in Japan, and many of the actions taken in Hong Kong have yet to be taken in Japan either.
Yes, sanitation is better, but policy-wise, it is a bit on the slow side on many public health issues. I'm somewhat familiar with various aspects of their system and it can be rather frustrating.

However, this is taking things too off-topic so I won't continue to engage in discussing the policies there, and instead, bring it back to topic by saying that in Stevie's case, I'd have thought there would be almost zero chance of getting a free change of routing for his ex-Japan flight, unless a new commercial policy is implemented by BA. However, it could well be a safer way of returning to the UK if a lot of direct flights to Europe from Chinese mainland end up being cancelled, and that pushes people to take the flight ex-HKG for instance.

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