BA First pricing sudden price hike

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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:29 am
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There are plenty of people in the UK who would pay that sort of money without a worry. If my Euromillions ticket comes up tonight I would be one of them, I might even take young KARFA on some strange tier point run if he's around.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:32 am
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HND to stay in the 737 simulator hotel......If you really want to spoil him ;-)
He'd never wake up in time for that
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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:54 am
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I'm surprised more people on here aren't recommending you take the connecting option! You may even get yourself to Bronze in one trip buy doing that!
I've never chased points as I have never flown often enough with the same carrier so I'm a bit naive regarding tier points. LHR to PHX direct gets 210 points in First. But are you saying I get more for a connection via LAX? i.e. 210 LHR to PHX then more points for AA LAX.

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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:56 am
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Yesterday afternoon 2 seats back at £1100. I can't believe that BA deliberately put the price up by 700% for a day or two. I think it was a glitch. but thanks all for your input.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 2:59 am
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Yesterday afternoon 2 seats back at £1100. I can't believe that BA deliberately put the price up by 700% for a day or two. I think it was a glitch. but thanks all for your input.
Or it could be someone put a hold on 2 or 3 seats then changed their mind and released the seats. This happens all the time with revenue management.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex View Post
There are plenty of people in the UK who would pay that sort of money without a worry. If my Euromillions ticket comes up tonight I would be one of them, I might even take young KARFA on some strange tier point run if he's around.
I must be really careful with my cashish then, more than nomal! You'll see me in Economy with the other stingy Blues, assuming I can 'afford' to fly BA in the first place! Mind you, I am flying BA end of the month, but to 'afford' it, I booked it in December!
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:08 am
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I've never chased points as I have never flown often enough with the same carrier so I'm a bit naive regarding tier points. LHR to PHX direct gets 210 points in First. But are you saying I get more for a connection via LAX? i.e. 210 LHR to PHX then more points for AA LAX.

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Welcome to Flyertalk and the BA Board alanred13, it's always nice to have new members joining and I hope you enjoy your time here.

The more sectors you can do on a ticket then the more Tier points you would get so flying via LAX would gain some more TP's. Or you can route via New York and from there to PHX would get you even more. This thread is very good for that but there is a bit more to it than that but that is the logic behind flying with various stops and you can get BA Silver in one go basically if planned right.

BA Tier Point Runs | 2019 master thread

I'd also recommend reading the BA Forum Dashboard

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The Stickies there such as this can maximise Tier points but there are lots of other useful threads full of information regarding BA and Oneworld matters, tips etc.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:32 am
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I'm not sure why, but right now Google isn't too reliable with F tickets on BA. For instance DUB-LHR-JFK return I can buy it on BA for €3656 but on Google/ITA the exact same flight prices out to €5,737.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:55 am
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Originally Posted by alanred13 View Post
Yesterday afternoon 2 seats back at £1100. I can't believe that BA deliberately put the price up by 700% for a day or two. I think it was a glitch. but thanks all for your input.
Glad the the availability re-appeared for you.

Appreciate the distinction may not be of much interest, but it's not quite the case that BA "put the price up by 700% for a day or two" because they are really selling you two different tickets at the two price points.

As has been noted, BA use the F and A buckets for revenue first class, and within those there are multiple different fares. Indeed, checking on your dates for a return ticket BA offer a total of 25 different price points in F, ranging from GBP 1,390 as the cheapest to 16,225 as the most expensive (These are base fares btw, you'll need to add taxes, fees and charges)

Now all of those tickets will get you a seat in F, they'll get you the same access to the F Lounges, the same baggage allowances, the same food and drink onboard and so on. But they come with different conditions and limitations - for example, advance purchase requirements, the cost to change or refund the ticket, minimum stay requirements and so on. And BA will decide exactly how many tickets at each price point they want to sell. As has been noted, they may prefer to try sell just a single ticket at 16,225 than 8 at 1,390 for obvious reasons. So when the price jumped, it was a case of "we're not willing to sell anymore of these cheap tickets, but you can have one of these more flexible ones.....". They are essentially trading off selling a cheap one now, versus the hope of selling a more expensive one later. Luckily the availability of the cheaper ones reappeared.

As I say, I appreciate this may be pretty much moot for a traveller with well defined plans who just wants the cheapest fare, but they are certainly not just raising and dropping prices on a whim, or by glitches.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by alanred13 View Post
I've never chased points as I have never flown often enough with the same carrier so I'm a bit naive regarding tier points. LHR to PHX direct gets 210 points in First. But are you saying I get more for a connection via LAX? i.e. 210 LHR to PHX then more points for AA LAX.

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Hi,

Yep you'll get 210 for flying to LAX as well as it's in the same banding Phoenix and then you'll get another 60tp for LAX to PHX in domestic first or 40tp in Business (not sure what's available as I'm not a USA specialist at all).

This tool is useful for working out what you'll earn. https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_gb

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Old Jul 12, 19, 4:13 am
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Hi,

Yep you'll get 210 for flying to LAX as well as it's in the same banding Phoenix and then you'll get another 60tp for LAX to PHX in domestic first or 40tp in Business (not sure what's available as I'm not a USA specialist at all).

This tool is useful for working out what you'll earn. https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_gb

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Just to add the only domestic routes on AA you will get first TPs now are those run on the three cabin A321 transcons where you are in the front business cabin (LAX-JFK, SFO-JFK, and LAX-BOS). Everything else with two cabin flights will book in to business selling classes on the front cabin and earn 140/40 TPs.

LAX-PHX will be sold as domestic first on a two cabin plane booked in to business selling classes so you would only earn 40 TPs
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My mother goes to Grenada twice a year in first. It is usually ball park £2500 return. Last time it was £17000 return so she went virgin !

I am unsure who would pay £17000 for an out and out leisure destination but there you go! We often see fares of £7/8000 which either go away or we just book the following week when the fares are more “normal”. I would love to know who pays that kind of money but someone I assume must do?
People who normally pay 20,000 and now see a bargin!
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Old Jul 12, 19, 5:59 am
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Does all this clever pricing mean that BA's IT spend is in its Revenue Dept., or does it mean that the Intern is in there at present?
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Old Jul 12, 19, 11:02 am
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Revenue management is almost exactly the same as poker.
It's a game of incomplete information on both sides with both sides trying to maximise their return (mostly).
If I told you how I worked out whether to call, raise or fold you would use that information against me and my returns would drop.
If I was a great poker player and I taught other people the principles, there would be more good poker players and my earnings through playing poker would likely drop.
So revenue management algorithms are secret so customers don't game them and so other companies don't copy your hard won algorithmic success.
But just like poker there are some widely understood rules which are well known (many discussed above) and a successful strategy has to have a degree of randomness in it (which may account for some of the things which appear to be glitches).
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