Originally Posted by antichef
(Post 30877029)
The first part would be potentially more tricky. Depends where they are. If not in UK airspace then they can't come in and divert to wherever their ops tell them. If in UK airspace they may not have a divert option outside the UK so will land and be stuck where they are.
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Originally Posted by tedcruz
(Post 30877040)
Boeing are going to have to rack their brains as to what to do if more countries start following the UK. |
Originally Posted by Forever in Seattle
(Post 30877026)
If this ban last for a significant time, I wonder if this could sink Norwegian who are not in the best shape already. Time will tell.
I assume that the ban means that if any MAX aircraft are currently parked in the UK by owned by a foreign carrier, they can't even be ferried back home form use on other routes? Similarly, for example if one is currently at LHR, it would accrue enormous parking fees until a time that the ban is lifted, and if the ban becomes permanent, the only option would be to scrap the aircraft right where it is in the UK? |
Originally Posted by Globaliser
(Post 30877045)
Is it always like this? Might the wording of an order on any particular occasion perhaps allow any airborne flight to complete its planned journey, with the aircraft then grounded upon landing? I can't immediately see how to get hold of the CAA's actual order, rather than the press release.
In any event in about an hour it will be an irrelevance as the issue will have passed. The few of them that are in the air and headed this way will have landed or gone away! |
Originally Posted by antichef
(Post 30877079)
I agree that it could be either way. But an operator granted permission to continue and land might not even want to do that - and be confined indefinitely when they they could abandon the sector and return to base and continue in use.
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Originally Posted by antichef
(Post 30877079)
I agree that it could be either way. But an operator granted permission to continue and land might not even want to do that - and be confined indefinitely when they they could abandon the sector and return to base and continue in use.
In any event in about an hour it will be an irrelevance as the issue will have passed. The few of them that are in the air and headed this way will have landed or gone away! |
Looks like the're going to let flight already in the air enter UK airspace to land as BY485 Marrakesh - Manchester is now over UK air space. Two Turkish Airlines flights still flying to UK (Gatwick and Manchester).
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Originally Posted by BlackSkyuk
(Post 30877116)
Looks like the're going to let flight already in the air enter UK airspace to land as BY485 Marrakesh - Manchester is now over UK air space. Two Turkish Airlines flights still flying to UK (Gatwick and Manchester).
I wonder if the Turkish aircraft will be allowed to leave? |
DQ-FAB, Fiji's Max8, was enroute to SYD from NAN when CASA barred it. It landed at SYD but tomorrow morning's departure has been cancelled. I am not sure if they will be allowed to ferry it back to NAN empty but of course it has consequences if they are not allowed to - parking charges for a start, and operational aspects (e.g. operating to where they are still allowed to).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft). |
Norwegian is grounding its fleet of MAX, not just in the UK but everywhere.
https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressreleases |
Originally Posted by LTN Phobia
(Post 30877129)
DQ-FAB, Fiji's Max8, was enroute to SYD from NAN when CASA barred it. It landed at SYD but tomorrow morning's departure has been cancelled. I am not sure if they will be allowed to ferry it back to NAN empty but of course it has consequences if they are not allowed to - parking charges for a start, and operational aspects (e.g. operating to where they are still allowed to).
Looking at that situation illustrates the possibility that it might be in their interest not to land in the UK if the fuel allows, and they are short of aircraft and they are intending to keep using the aircraft in the meantime (obviously with the exception of UK-based aircraft). |
In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision: Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win. Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30877151)
In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision: Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win. Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs. |
As a statement of the glaringly obvious ... Boeing seem to have created a global aviation disaster! I wonder if the airlines have any comeback on this ... although I doubt it.
EDIT ... comment from PPRuNe ... “In the event of a quality failure of similar magnitude to the 787/RR issues then Boeing at the end of the day...” Ouch! But the increased automaticity allegedly involved does seem to suggest a degree of overcomplication to what was, once, a relatively straightforward aircraft to operate. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30877151)
In response to post # 100 above regarding Norwegian's grounding decision: Ouch. That poor airline just can't seem to win. Is it known where their MAX aircraft are currently and what fraction of the fleet they comprise? Some parking places would be worse than other in terms of costs. Norwegian Air Internation has 9 MAX, based in UK and Ireland. No clue where they currently are. |
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