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Kgmm77 Mar 16, 2019 2:03 pm


Originally Posted by T8191 (Post 30894888)
OK, let’s take another angle. This forum is one of the busiest on FT, and members fly on may different airlines. Perhaps this discussion could be informtive to those who use multiple carriers .... where shoukd tjis be posted?

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...-concerns.html

T8191 Mar 16, 2019 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by Kgmm77 (Post 30894896)

Fair call ... but the Mods decide. I have no concern whichever way it goes, as I have no future 737 bookings of any persuasion.

Globaliser Mar 16, 2019 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by Kgmm77 (Post 30894867)
When was the last time in the thread Comair and it’s one single aircraft was mentioned? As pointed out above the only difference between here and pprune is that at least the most of the posters on here don’t pretend they are pilots.

Then the mods can decide whether or not this discussion has become completely irrelevant to BA, CJ, MN and EZ.

Sealink Mar 16, 2019 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by SKRan (Post 30874146)


777 had issues in pattern, doesn’t that worry you? involved a BA flight

You'll need to update me. I've no recollection of 777 crashes involving brand new aircraft within six months of each other.

Tiger_lily Mar 16, 2019 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by Sealink (Post 30895244)
You'll need to update me. I've no recollection of 777 crashes involving brand new aircraft within six months of each other.

Quite. And in any case, the loss of YMMM had little or nothing to do with the design of the frame, nor the positioning of the engines, nor the grandfathering of type certification

bisonrav Mar 16, 2019 6:09 pm


Originally Posted by Kgmm77 (Post 30894713)
.....with the most tenuous of links to BA. Not sure why it’s still here to be honest.

Tend to agree.

littlefish Mar 20, 2019 12:38 am

Two things:
1. I highly commend the Seattle Times article also linked in the thread Kgmm77 flagged. https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ion-air-crash/
The article (and comments) really gets into the nitty gritty of overall governance failings; not just at the manufacturer but also the regulators and other checks & balances. Scary stuff too on some risk assessment and risk management failings. A rotten mess to clean up and one still wonders whether oversight methods will learn lessons.

2. There is to be a review of the Certification of the 737-MAX8 ...
https://www.transportation.gov/sites...-2012-2017.pdf

For me. It does seem MCAS, software, was a response to delivery timeline risk and not properly identified for significant focus in the certification process nor able to gain that focus (for example as other bodies saw the dossiers). Should not be that way.

IAN-UK Mar 20, 2019 2:24 am


Originally Posted by littlefish (Post 30907903)
Two things:
1. I highly commend the Seattle Times article also linked in the thread Kgmm77 flagged. https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ion-air-crash/
The article (and comments) really gets into the nitty gritty of overall governance failings; not just at the manufacturer but also the regulators and other checks & balances. Scary stuff too on some risk assessment and risk management failings. A rotten mess to clean up and one still wonders whether oversight methods will learn lessons.

Thanks for that.

For me, the most chilling part of a disturbing read was:

"Since MCAS was supposed to activate only in extreme circumstances far outside the normal flight envelope, Boeing decided that 737 pilots needed no extra training on the system."


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