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This must mean the MAX 8 and MAX 9, not the regular (nonMAX) or NG 737-800 and 737-900. |
Originally Posted by GGla
(Post 30878268)
MAX only or is that the way to designate a Max (with the normal ones being 737-800/900)?
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Originally Posted by 1010101
(Post 30877581)
It will be interesting to see how long the FAA holds out.
It's surprising that China led the way in this one. Though one thing that will happen now is Boeing is absolutely going to be in damage control mode and I'm guessing all key 737 personnel are now involved in this one way or another. I got an impression that Boeing didn't take it serious enough after Lion Air crash and I doubt they would have even after this Ethopian Air had it not been for this momentum of various airspaces being closed for 737 Max. |
it is obvious it was a pilot error, they'll be vindicated. |
Originally Posted by JamesKidd
(Post 30878466)
FAA has gambled on this one. I'm guessing they will want to wait for an early indication from the flight recorders pointing to the issue. If it is obvious it was a pilot error, they'll be vindicated. But if there isn't a quick obvious cause, they will have no choice but to issue grounding notice as well. My guess is they are just waiting for a quick review of the flight recorder.
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Originally Posted by Deltus
(Post 30878326)
That Norwegian MAX that got stuck in Iran for 2 months (LN-BKE) must now be one of the least productive jets in aviation history!
Delivered to Norwegian on 30th October, stuck on the ground in Iran from December to February, rescued 3 weeks ago and then grounded today... |
Originally Posted by 1010101
(Post 30878558)
I don't share your optimism I'm afraid. I suspect it's more like every lobbyist Boeing has ever heard of has been working overtime today.
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It troubles me that this is the second fatal accident of such a modern plane in such a short period of time. That said; unfortunate accidents do happen.
I understand the ruling of the CAA; and fully expect the FAA to follow through. If the reports are true that Boeing have created a system to help pilots; but when it fails it actually forces the plane into such a position it will crash; then I hope Boeing are not lobbying the FAA to keep them up in the sky and are spending that money to get this problem fixed. Whilst new to FT; would posters be slightly kinder to the situation and the pilots of the crashed plane? I do not know all the facts; but to suggest the pilot was clearly 'ill-trained' to deal with the issue is clearly overdone. |
Not at all surprising China took the lead, there are geopolitical aspects to this |
India has now also joined the party according to the BBC (sorry if I’ve missed this upthread)
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The US FAA surely cant ignore the closures.
Boeing have announced a Software Update for the 737 Max series; I lack any in depth understanding to comment on it! I wonder whether Norwegian will look to wet lease A320/321s from QR. M |
I think the FAA are probably letter of the law correct, but it would be a brave person who put their reputation out as a hostage to fortune when others are taking a cautious line. |
Originally Posted by JamesKidd
(Post 30878466)
I got an impression that Boeing didn't take it serious enough after Lion Air crash and I doubt they would have even after this Ethopian Air had it not been for this momentum of various airspaces being closed for 737 Max.
Lion Air operates in the tainted Indonesian environment. It was always going to to be easy for Boeing to allow that reputation for lax regulation and compliance to dominate the chatter around the accident, while paddling furiously under the waterline to resolve the fundamental issues. But it seems the paddling wasn't fast enough. And a world major airline with an uncluttered reputation took the next hit. |
Originally Posted by GGla
(Post 30878268)
MAX only or is that the way to designate a Max (with the normal ones being 737-800/900)?
Originally Posted by Irreverent Medusa
(Post 30878299)
It's from that highly technical source known as the Beeb ;) so I'm going to say it probably just covers the Max
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Originally Posted by APUBleed
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Exactly. We definitely can’t conclude that Boeing is at fault yet. However, the accident does certainly cause an eye brow to be raised and I am sure we, especially Boeing, are eager to find the cause as soon as possible. If it does end up being a related issue to the Lion Air crash, or another failure - I will be incredibly, incredibly upset and irritated at the Boeing corporation. However, from a safety perspective you can absolutely guarantuee Boeing will invest every dollar to ensure this will not happen again because it will kill their company otherwise. If passengers won’t fly Boeing, airlines won’t buy Boeing. All true, in a sense, but the nightmares with the Screamliner - which was on my own personal no-fly list for quite a long time - shows that passenger preference doesn't really drive airline purchasing decisions. If it were otherwise (and I wish it were) the A380 wouldn't be ceasing production. Separately, I see that the Donald - surely the greatest aviation expert in the world today - has weighed in with his own opinion on Twatter: "Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!" |
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