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Mar 2, 2019, 11:59 am
#136
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
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The CCR is certainly inferior to the LH F lounges/FCT (assume same for LX and AF though haven’t flown them).
But I think the biggest issue is that F passengers have to deal with the train, same bus if a hard stand, etc. as everyone else. When I landed in MUC on an LH F flight and parked at a hard stand, there were 7 luxury sedans at the bottom of the stairs to take each passenger to customs or the arrivals lounge (or the terminal for connecting passengers). Same for departing passengers from the FCT in FRA. Meanwhile, BA’s F passengers get the privilege of boarding with every gold card holder on the plane. It’s hardly an “F” experience.
I left the terminal and walked to the FCT, which is nicer than the CCR (everyone says the F lounge in FRA main terminal is as good too (bar no car)), as discussed though, if BA have halved pax numbers and upped the cost, they don't have to raise standards all that hard to match it.
Mar 2, 2019, 1:01 pm
#137
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: US Air, UA BA LH AI DELTA MARRIOTT CHOICE SGP
Posts: 9,883
I agree there needs to balance on priorities but at the end of the day who is more important, your employer or family? For all the overtime put into to go above in beyond, does it pay off financially to make you happier or be able to take the time off in lieu or even both?
I remember someone recently sharing this through socials (I dont know the author to give credit)
Interesting you bring up the concept of utopia, going by this forum alone isn't that what BA should really be striving for the world of commercial aviation?
I remember someone recently sharing this through socials (I dont know the author to give credit)
Interesting you bring up the concept of utopia, going by this forum alone isn't that what BA should really be striving for the world of commercial aviation?
Remember compromise & balance ? Next time you do it give a nod to all of us who discovered it a long time ago.
Mar 2, 2019, 1:26 pm
#138
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We travel quite often (5-6 holidays a year in Business) but CBA to pay the excessive premium for BA F, so icegirl is safe from our intrusion into that cabin.
Mar 2, 2019, 2:07 pm
#139
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Mar 2, 2019, 4:44 pm
#140
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: US Air, UA BA LH AI DELTA MARRIOTT CHOICE SGP
Posts: 9,883
That’s why I took early retirement, thanks to a redundancy scheme, and stopped going to work a couple of months before my 50th birthday. And 24 years later, I have absolutely no regrets about that decision. My wife made the same decision around the same time, with similar results ... contentment!
We travel quite often (5-6 holidays a year in Business) but CBA to pay the excessive premium for BA F, so icegirl is safe from our intrusion into that cabin.
We travel quite often (5-6 holidays a year in Business) but CBA to pay the excessive premium for BA F, so icegirl is safe from our intrusion into that cabin.
BTW we know you, from what you have said !
Mar 2, 2019, 9:22 pm
#141
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: HKG
Programs: BA GGL & CCR
Posts: 600
Amusing this is even up for debate.
I would assume it has very little to do with who is of sufficent social class to be in first class and everything to do with feeling like the one sucker having paid for something sitting in a cabin full of people who paid nothing or nominal cost to be there.
I would assume it has very little to do with who is of sufficent social class to be in first class and everything to do with feeling like the one sucker having paid for something sitting in a cabin full of people who paid nothing or nominal cost to be there.
Mar 3, 2019, 1:15 am
#142
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 778
Amusing this is even up for debate.
I would assume it has very little to do with who is of sufficent social class to be in first class and everything to do with feeling like the one sucker having paid for something sitting in a cabin full of people who paid nothing or nominal cost to be there.
I would assume it has very little to do with who is of sufficent social class to be in first class and everything to do with feeling like the one sucker having paid for something sitting in a cabin full of people who paid nothing or nominal cost to be there.
Mar 3, 2019, 2:26 am
#143
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 305
If you’re sitting in the seat that you paid for, in the cabin that you paid for, and you still feel like a sucker - well, you only have yourself to blame for that.
Mar 3, 2019, 2:32 am
#144
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: ±38,000 feet
Programs: LH HON, BA GGL, AF Plat, EK Plat
Posts: 6,428
Mar 3, 2019, 2:40 am
#145
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Mar 3, 2019, 3:06 am
#146
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jan 2009
Programs: Battleaxe Alliance
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I feel slightly stressed at the idea of a golden loo seat... (I have nothing against gold, but it's best limited to jewellery and industrial use, rather than in the loo seats...).
Mar 3, 2019, 3:19 am
#147
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,770
I would personally be curious to know the spend of various passengers in a cabin.
It's nice knowing that, thanks in part to FT, I could be flying for half the price of someone else. It's also good to know if I'm missing something that could save me money. But at the end of the day, if I feel what I paid is far less than the "going rate", then I'm pretty happy.
I never knew a thing about miles, tier points etc. before joining here (well, was a member on a Virgin forum so knew how to redeem my miles with them for an UC seat).
I expect many people flying are none the wiser with regards to ex-EU, APD, upgrades etc.
Tesco Lego, game pre-orders, cds etc. made me a load of Avios that funded some F flights. First one on CX cost me around £105, and subsequent ones, practically zero (made a profit so technically free points).
I don't really see the value in a F cabin. Sure it's a nice treat should the cost to myself be low enough, but I certainly wouldn't pay £2-3k+ for it when I could survive a £300 Y fare or £570 in WT+ ex-EU suffices and provides a sweet spot for upgrades.
No issues with those who can afford it, or choose to fly nothing else, but for me, there are better uses for my money on a general basis.
It's nice knowing that, thanks in part to FT, I could be flying for half the price of someone else. It's also good to know if I'm missing something that could save me money. But at the end of the day, if I feel what I paid is far less than the "going rate", then I'm pretty happy.
I never knew a thing about miles, tier points etc. before joining here (well, was a member on a Virgin forum so knew how to redeem my miles with them for an UC seat).
I expect many people flying are none the wiser with regards to ex-EU, APD, upgrades etc.
Tesco Lego, game pre-orders, cds etc. made me a load of Avios that funded some F flights. First one on CX cost me around £105, and subsequent ones, practically zero (made a profit so technically free points).
I don't really see the value in a F cabin. Sure it's a nice treat should the cost to myself be low enough, but I certainly wouldn't pay £2-3k+ for it when I could survive a £300 Y fare or £570 in WT+ ex-EU suffices and provides a sweet spot for upgrades.
No issues with those who can afford it, or choose to fly nothing else, but for me, there are better uses for my money on a general basis.
Mar 3, 2019, 4:17 am
#148
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Isle of Sheppey, UK
Posts: 318
I've been lucky enough to fly F (and yes, despite what some would say it's always been a good jump above J) several times. Sometimes via Tesco/Amex/Topcashback/Holiday Inn-generated Avios, sometimes as an "instant upgrade" J cash fare and sometimes as a cash A fare. I've not yet flown on a full-price F fare, but in all cases I've done the same things, worn the same clothes and carried the same luggage. There's no way on earth you could tell whether I was flying on an F, A or Z fare... unless, of course, you've sneaked a peek at the crew's manifest!
Mar 3, 2019, 4:28 am
#149
Join Date: Jun 2016
Programs: BA
Posts: 102
Let's face it you've come out with some corkers in this thread and indeed in other threads in the past. I'm not sure why you're so surprised at the reaction you've received.
Mar 3, 2019, 4:42 am
#150
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