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Old Dec 2, 2018, 12:30 am
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BA16 SYD-LHR 2 Dec, delayed overnight

Very unusual for a Sydney route to be canceled any idea why?
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 1:00 am
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Fault found with one of the control systems during a weekly check done downroute; the spare is not available locally, and the nearest one failed to arrive on time before the flight had to be binned.

This is all my opinion and not BA's.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 1:51 am
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and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 2:37 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600
why? If it's all on one ticket.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600
most people just want get where they wanted to go at the time scheduled to do so.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by wtcmor
Very unusual for a Sydney route to be canceled any idea why?
Where was BA 16 cancelled? It is 2 sectors.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 4:12 am
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most people just want get where they wanted to go at the time scheduled to do so.
Agreed. Also the compensation culture eventually will impact on everyone with higher prices.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by Saladman
Also the compensation culture eventually will impact on everyone with higher prices.
Not necessarily. Those airlines that can operate in a timely way with reliable fleets will have no costs to pass on.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 4:26 am
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The OP was only asking for information on why BA16 was cancelled. There was no reference to compensation. Let‘s not get into another of these discussions please. I hope the passengers affected could be effectively and swiftly rerouted to their destinations.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 6:02 am
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BA has this not as cancelled, but as delayed overnight: SYD-SIN depart 15:30 3 Dec (Monday), SIN-LHR depart 22:30 3 Dec (Monday).

So they are, I assume, fixing the aircraft as soon as they can and sending it off along its route.
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600
Why would they not get compensation, out of interest? I understand it’s not to an eu destination but it’s still an eu operator?
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 6:25 am
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Regulation EC261/2004 only applies to all flights from an EU country and all flights to an EU country operated by an EU-based airline. It's quite clear:

Article 2
Definitions
For the purposes of this Regulation:
(a) "air carrier" means an air transport undertaking with a valid operating licence;
(b) "operating air carrier" means an air carrier that performs or intends to perform a flight under a contract with a passenger or on behalf of another person, legal or natural, having a contract with that passenger;
(c) "Community carrier" means an air carrier with a valid operating licence granted by a Member State in accordance with the provisions of Council Regulation (EEC) No 2407/92 of 23 July 1992 on licensing of air carriers(5);
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Article 3
Scope
1. This Regulation shall apply:
(a) to passengers departing from an airport located in the territory of a Member State to which the Treaty applies;
(b) to passengers departing from an airport located in a third country to an airport situated in the territory of a Member State to which the Treaty applies, unless they received benefits or compensation and were given assistance in that third country, if the operating air carrier of the flight concerned is a Community carrier.
From https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32004R0261&from=EN

It doesn't cover a flight between two non-EU (also non-EEA) countries under any circumstances. SIN-SYD operated by BA is not the only instance of this, for example KLM operate some S-E Asian tag routes.

(I also think the criteria for coverage of Gibraltar have not been met)
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 7:36 am
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Friendly reminder that despite what the PM keeps saying, Britain is still part of the EU (at least for now...)
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by flatlander
Regulation EC261/2004 only applies to all flights from an EU country and all flights to an EU country operated by an EU-based airline. It's quite clear:



From https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...4R0261&from=EN

It doesn't cover a flight between two non-EU (also non-EEA) countries under any circumstances. SIN-SYD operated by BA is not the only instance of this, for example KLM operate some S-E Asian tag routes.
That is a very confident 'under any circumstances' claim. Has there been any case law on whether it applies to a community carrier flight from a third country to a third country when connecting on the same ticket to a member state?
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Old Dec 2, 2018, 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by warreng
Friendly reminder that despite what the PM keeps saying, Britain is still part of the EU (at least for now...)
That's not the issue, see regulation text above. It's that the flight is not to or from an EU/EEA airport.

The herring you thought you saw was not red.
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