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wtcmor Dec 2, 2018 12:30 am

BA16 SYD-LHR 2 Dec, delayed overnight
 
Very unusual for a Sydney route to be canceled any idea why?

13901 Dec 2, 2018 1:00 am

Fault found with one of the control systems during a weekly check done downroute; the spare is not available locally, and the nearest one failed to arrive on time before the flight had to be binned.

This is all my opinion and not BA's.

Dave Noble Dec 2, 2018 1:51 am

and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600

A P Yu Dec 2, 2018 2:37 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 30489633)
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600

why? If it's all on one ticket.

DFB_london Dec 2, 2018 2:57 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 30489633)
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600

most people just want get where they wanted to go at the time scheduled to do so.

rapidex Dec 2, 2018 3:43 am


Originally Posted by wtcmor (Post 30489493)
Very unusual for a Sydney route to be canceled any idea why?

Where was BA 16 cancelled? It is 2 sectors.

Saladman Dec 2, 2018 4:12 am


Originally Posted by DFB_london (Post 30489740)


most people just want get where they wanted to go at the time scheduled to do so.

Agreed. Also the compensation culture eventually will impact on everyone with higher prices.

simons1 Dec 2, 2018 4:16 am


Originally Posted by Saladman (Post 30489866)
Also the compensation culture eventually will impact on everyone with higher prices.

Not necessarily. Those airlines that can operate in a timely way with reliable fleets will have no costs to pass on.

Tafflyer Dec 2, 2018 4:26 am

The OP was only asking for information on why BA16 was cancelled. There was no reference to compensation. Let‘s not get into another of these discussions please. I hope the passengers affected could be effectively and swiftly rerouted to their destinations.

flatlander Dec 2, 2018 6:02 am

BA has this not as cancelled, but as delayed overnight: SYD-SIN depart 15:30 3 Dec (Monday), SIN-LHR depart 22:30 3 Dec (Monday).

So they are, I assume, fixing the aircraft as soon as they can and sending it off along its route.

PAL62V Dec 2, 2018 6:11 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 30489633)
and this evening, those who decided it would be good to book BA16-> BA12 will be kicking themselves at the lack of EUR600

Why would they not get compensation, out of interest? I understand it’s not to an eu destination but it’s still an eu operator?

flatlander Dec 2, 2018 6:25 am

Regulation EC261/2004 only applies to all flights from an EU country and all flights to an EU country operated by an EU-based airline. It's quite clear:


Article 2
Definitions
For the purposes of this Regulation:
(a) "air carrier" means an air transport undertaking with a valid operating licence;
(b) "operating air carrier" means an air carrier that performs or intends to perform a flight under a contract with a passenger or on behalf of another person, legal or natural, having a contract with that passenger;
(c) "Community carrier" means an air carrier with a valid operating licence granted by a Member State in accordance with the provisions of Council Regulation (EEC) No 2407/92 of 23 July 1992 on licensing of air carriers(5);
...
Article 3
Scope
1. This Regulation shall apply:
(a) to passengers departing from an airport located in the territory of a Member State to which the Treaty applies;
(b) to passengers departing from an airport located in a third country to an airport situated in the territory of a Member State to which the Treaty applies, unless they received benefits or compensation and were given assistance in that third country, if the operating air carrier of the flight concerned is a Community carrier.
From https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32004R0261&from=EN

It doesn't cover a flight between two non-EU (also non-EEA) countries under any circumstances. SIN-SYD operated by BA is not the only instance of this, for example KLM operate some S-E Asian tag routes.

(I also think the criteria for coverage of Gibraltar have not been met)

warreng Dec 2, 2018 7:36 am

Friendly reminder that despite what the PM keeps saying, Britain is still part of the EU (at least for now...)

Ldnn1 Dec 2, 2018 8:00 am


Originally Posted by flatlander (Post 30490144)
Regulation EC261/2004 only applies to all flights from an EU country and all flights to an EU country operated by an EU-based airline. It's quite clear:



From https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...4R0261&from=EN

It doesn't cover a flight between two non-EU (also non-EEA) countries under any circumstances. SIN-SYD operated by BA is not the only instance of this, for example KLM operate some S-E Asian tag routes.

That is a very confident 'under any circumstances' claim. Has there been any case law on whether it applies to a community carrier flight from a third country to a third country when connecting on the same ticket to a member state?

flatlander Dec 2, 2018 8:02 am


Originally Posted by warreng (Post 30490275)
Friendly reminder that despite what the PM keeps saying, Britain is still part of the EU (at least for now...)

That's not the issue, see regulation text above. It's that the flight is not to or from an EU/EEA airport.

The herring you thought you saw was not red.


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