Heathrow Third Runway Approved by Parliament
Jun 5, 2018, 9:10 am
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Yes, there's nothing wrong with wide bodies doing SH routes. SV (Saudia) uses 747s and 777s on the hour long RUH JED route almost on a a half-hourly basis, throughout the day, to cope with the demand!
Jun 5, 2018, 9:26 am
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Maybe BA can buy some of those knackered SQ A380s, fill them up with high-density short-haul seating, and shuttle them between LHR and DUB, CDG, AMS etc. How many of those new densified Recaro seats could you fit on an A380?
Jun 5, 2018, 9:41 am
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So, according to the BBC article, this will be entirely privately funded and landing charges should remain at current levels. Will the increased slots really be able to pay back the £14bn (which will almost certainly inflate if recent UK infrastructure project history tells us anything) with a profit in a reasonable timescale?
I’d be interested in the sums on that one, because it feels a bit unlikely without a LOT of shopping. I suspect a lot of the “absolute requirements” mentioned by Mr Grayling would have to go by the board for this to work. I’m in favour of the runway, just doesn’t seem to add up. I suppose most of the politicians concerned will be long gone (and probably working as non-execs for the contractors) by the time the chickens come home to roost.
I still hope parliament approves it.
I’d be interested in the sums on that one, because it feels a bit unlikely without a LOT of shopping. I suspect a lot of the “absolute requirements” mentioned by Mr Grayling would have to go by the board for this to work. I’m in favour of the runway, just doesn’t seem to add up. I suppose most of the politicians concerned will be long gone (and probably working as non-execs for the contractors) by the time the chickens come home to roost.
I still hope parliament approves it.
Jun 5, 2018, 10:27 am
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So, according to the BBC article, this will be entirely privately funded and landing charges should remain at current levels. Will the increased slots really be able to pay back the £14bn (which will almost certainly inflate if recent UK infrastructure project history tells us anything) with a profit in a reasonable timescale?
Jun 5, 2018, 10:48 am
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If this idea does work somewhere, please explain where it does work and how it works.
Jun 5, 2018, 10:54 am
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Personally I hope the ‘heathrow hub’ ( long runway ) proposal wins it’s legal challenge against HAL/DOT and that option is put back on the table. The HAL 3rd runway is environmentaly a terrible option when compared to it, or indeed a second at LGW.
Jun 5, 2018, 11:20 am
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I would rather that one of the busiest commercial airports in the world wasn’t used as an experiment for an untested idea.
Jun 5, 2018, 12:01 pm
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My gut feeling is this time it will actually to through and be done. The government need to show britain can be strong after brexit hence building massive infrastructure.
Jun 5, 2018, 12:10 pm
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Substantial modelling, risk assessments and simulations will occur and a huge safety case will have to be completed and assessed. The safety margin distance between the end of the landing section and the start of the take-off section of one long runway will be substantial to cover every possible overrun scenario. I'm all for it - let the UK lead the world in this concept rather than us sit back and always think of a thousand reasons why something can't happen.
Jun 5, 2018, 12:12 pm
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Then no progress would ever occur in may areas. For a new concept / idea / product to be introduced there always has to be a first somewhere @:-)
Substantial modelling, risk assessments and simulations will occur and a huge safety case will have to be completed and assessed. The safety margin distance between the end of the landing section and the start of the take-off section of one long runway will be substantial to cover every possible overrun scenario. I'm all for it - let the UK lead the world in this concept rather than us sit back and always think of a thousand reasons why something can't happen.
Substantial modelling, risk assessments and simulations will occur and a huge safety case will have to be completed and assessed. The safety margin distance between the end of the landing section and the start of the take-off section of one long runway will be substantial to cover every possible overrun scenario. I'm all for it - let the UK lead the world in this concept rather than us sit back and always think of a thousand reasons why something can't happen.
Why not build that at Birmingham maybe ... or Manchester?
Jun 5, 2018, 12:18 pm
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Because almost 40% of the country's GDP (and increasing) is in London and South East and the demand is not for flights from Birmingham and Manchester?
Jun 5, 2018, 12:24 pm
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But let's not put an untested system of end-on-end runways at one of the worlds busiest where a mistake could delay tens of thousands for days on end. Let's put it somewhere else and test it there first.
Runway 4 (if the system is proven) can become end-on-end.
Jun 5, 2018, 12:25 pm
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EDIT: just to add the airports commission did consider the end on end (Heathrow hub ltd) solution. The northwest runway solution proposed by HAL was unanimously found to present the strongest case though.
Last edited by KARFA; Jun 5, 2018 at 12:33 pm